Carl Spackler

Here's what you and acl65pilot will not allow yourself to understand. Many, many of the pilots at regionals were not then and are not now qualified to join a major airline. It would have been hazardous to the safety records of major airlines to have unqualified pilots bypass their hiring processes and be inserted via merger. Period. I know you guys advocate this and have given it the name of "unity", but it's wrong to bypass the hiring process of any major airlines. Wrong on many levels.

The ability to gain access to the cockpit of a jet airliner with almost no experience is something that never should have happened. It put a lot of passengers in danger. But it did give many pilots the ability to gain jet experience which was a very good thing for people like you and acl. And as such, nobody got screwed! The fact that you guys could even think this shows such a generational difference with regard to your huge entitlement mentality.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Again, this kind of belief is so misguided. He may well have been rejected by that interview team back then. That rejection may well have kept him from getting his interview years later from which he was actually hired. We are entitled to nothing. If we get hired, whenever we get hired, it represents a major stroke of luck.

As shown by my foregoing, that thinking is probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard. To assume you would have been hired at any other time than when you were actually hired is so immature, it's hard to believe.

As equally silly as the previous.

True only as long as you have such a delusional level of entitlement.

And I absolutely would have been the first porn star with a PGA Tour card. It absolutely would have happened. It should have happened. But...

Carl

acl65pilot

Hey Carl;
As Bar says, I do not look at it that way, and I do not. No reason to be bitter over the past. Reality is that we can not look in the rear view mirror over anything. Look forward, and fight what is in front of us today.

Also, prior to the advent of the RJ, pilots were hired from those same regionals with turboprop time only, ah hem. All the RJ did was make the transition to a major that much more seamless. It came down to procedures and asking for a "wind check" Oh yeah and flaring lower than where an rj started it flare.

Carl Spackler

You're not a prospective member satchip. You are one of the insulters-in-chief on this subject. As much as I disagree with almost everything acl65pilot has to say, he leaves the blatant insults to others like you.

Nobody has said you're not worthy. But you won't accept someone who calls you on your comments of judging the DPA by its "shills" on this thread. But I'm sure you meant it in the most "worthy" way.

Everyone matters. It's just that when I was junior and didn't know much, I wasn't always speaking to prove it.

Carl

Carl Spackler

This post is very reasonable and shows great maturity if this is what you really believe. But this is NOT what Bar has ascribed your beliefs to be.

Carl

Pineapple Guy

No, you waited until you were senior to prove it.

Just kidding, Carl. I love ya man!

Carl Spackler

It's not because of a difference of opinion. You still suffer from your comments many months ago like:

"I don't want to be paid the most, I want to be paid the longest"
"Senior people nearly destroyed the profession in 2000 by being paid too much"
"I don't want C2K restoration, because that would probably get me furloughed"

Those comments were totally self-centered and self-interested, and they have hurt you in the eyes of some. Me included.

Carl

Carl Spackler

Same here bro...you know why?

Because that was pretty funny.

Carl

DAL 88 Driver

I did. And I'll say it again. Satchip has previously stated airline pilots should be compensated at our current bankruptcy/emergency levels. He said that the market should determine our value. Apparently no minimum in Satchip's eyes... just whatever the market will bear. I believe anyone who thinks that way does not have appropriate respect for the level of expertise, experience, career risk, and responsibility we have and is therefore not worthy of being an airline pilot.

acl65pilot

It is what I believe. Life is not fair, and I blame no one. I am here, and that is all that matters. I got varied experience, jet time, and got to be a LCA. A good things that I would not have done if I got hired at 26. I am a glass half full kind of guy in this regard. Lets fight the battles today, and not worry about the past. It is time for all of us to move forward and further this profession. I know we can do it.

BTW, Bar was trying to illustrate that if I was of an "I" mind, I could be bitter, but opt not to look at the world from a me only perspective. At least that is how I took his comments.