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05-21-2011, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
A bit of fuel to the fire.. The MEC meeting concluded and not a single peep was mentioned in the C44 summary of the goings on with the RAH deal.
When everyone realizes this in a couple more weeks, my question is whether this will sway new opinions toward the need to move away from ALPA. If not, I cannot imagine what will.
Carl
05-21-2011, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ronnie75
Is it the consensus here that if our contract does not equal SWA/Airtran in 2012, that is a failure? Haven't covered the past 100 pages of this thread or the Latest and Greatest so forgive me.
Carl
05-21-2011, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
I asked this question on the TWA thread, but the mods moved it off to where threads die. This report that Bar has linked above is a very damning indictment of ALPA. Does anyone have any additional context of this Seham report and who asked for the report's creation?
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05-21-2011, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
It is interesting to read your account, followed by that of the TWA pilots here, starting about page 15:
http://www.twapilot.org/TWA%20vs.%20...m%20Report.pdf
ALPA's counsel to the TWA pilots was that it was highly unlikely that the Court would reject the pilots' scope agreement, even when AA had made the waiver a condition for buying TWA. A waiver of TWA scope would leave the pilots "defenseless" and was "the ball game."
ALPA National Counsel then jumped in with advice in support of a scope waiver.
This is a paper from a Plaintiff's Expert, but is objectively written. It shows how MEC's can fail. Carl, if you've been looking for something to bolster your position, this is it, pages 17 & 37 particularly.
A reader can also see the exact road map that played out in Delta and NWA's bankruptcies.
http://www.twapilot.org/TWA%20vs.%20...m%20Report.pdf
ALPA's counsel to the TWA pilots was that it was highly unlikely that the Court would reject the pilots' scope agreement, even when AA had made the waiver a condition for buying TWA. A waiver of TWA scope would leave the pilots "defenseless" and was "the ball game."
ALPA National Counsel then jumped in with advice in support of a scope waiver.
This is a paper from a Plaintiff's Expert, but is objectively written. It shows how MEC's can fail. Carl, if you've been looking for something to bolster your position, this is it, pages 17 & 37 particularly.
A reader can also see the exact road map that played out in Delta and NWA's bankruptcies.
Would ALPA taking a strong stand on scope now, weaken its position in this lawsuit? IF ALPA loses this lawsuit, they are probably done as a union.
05-21-2011, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Bucking, do you not find it interesting that the main defense ALPA national has in this lawsuit is that they are not guilty of a DFR because the bankruptcy judge would have voided the TWA scope section?....That advising them to waive the provisions of their CBA was the best representation they could provide given the circumstances.
Would ALPA taking a strong stand on scope now, weaken its position in this lawsuit? IF ALPA loses this lawsuit, they are probably done as a union.
Would ALPA taking a strong stand on scope now, weaken its position in this lawsuit? IF ALPA loses this lawsuit, they are probably done as a union.
Carl
05-22-2011, 01:10 AM
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Carl;
I agree that Republic is an issue, and I agree that we should fight it. Some say contract language needs to be amended, and some say the intent was not this. I would say call your reps and see what they say about what happened at the meeting. I am curious as well.
I agree that Republic is an issue, and I agree that we should fight it. Some say contract language needs to be amended, and some say the intent was not this. I would say call your reps and see what they say about what happened at the meeting. I am curious as well.
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