Delta Pilots Association
09-25-2010, 04:22 AM
#583
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Carl;
I will try to respond to the rest of your "retorts" later, but I am out the door right now.
On the lawyers. Lawyers do what their clients tell them, even in house attorneys. It is very easy to say, Have a small firm known for .....," there is a problem with that logic. First, there are no small firms that are good enough, and two it will not be cheaper, by a long shot.
ALPA has an outside law firm on top of the in house counsel as well. You just do not like who they use.
FtB;
I wanted to have more of a say, and I made it my point to get my reps to listen to me, and thus far I am happy with the level of engagement. Actually very happy.
I will try to respond to the rest of your "retorts" later, but I am out the door right now.
On the lawyers. Lawyers do what their clients tell them, even in house attorneys. It is very easy to say, Have a small firm known for .....," there is a problem with that logic. First, there are no small firms that are good enough, and two it will not be cheaper, by a long shot.
ALPA has an outside law firm on top of the in house counsel as well. You just do not like who they use.
FtB;
I wanted to have more of a say, and I made it my point to get my reps to listen to me, and thus far I am happy with the level of engagement. Actually very happy.
09-25-2010, 04:31 AM
#584
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Carl, you need to hold a class... on how to multi quote.
Holy cow. That takes me a long time to pull that off.
Parting quote of the night:
"Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." -Ronald Regan
Holy cow. That takes me a long time to pull that off.
Parting quote of the night:
"Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." -Ronald Regan
Here's my quote of the day:
"Brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakespeare
Carl
09-25-2010, 04:35 AM
#585
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
All I am saying is I want less corruption, or more opportunity to participate in it.
Carl
09-25-2010, 04:39 AM
#587
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
ACL, when 80 went all multi quote on me I had to respond and fast so I used a demotivational poster quote, it wasn't directed at anyone. I needed something and it was the only one that'd fit with max absurdity without a picture and I hate posting pictures. 
Last edited by forgot to bid; 09-25-2010 at 04:55 AM.
09-25-2010, 05:12 AM
#588
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Light Chop
Posts: 23,286
Sometimes late at night a roving band of marauders goes from thread to thread tipping over trash cans. Problem is, if they continue unchecked it'll only get worse and they might bring their act to daylight.
Damn 2007-2008 new hire(s).
Damn 2007-2008 new hire(s).
Last edited by forgot to bid; 09-25-2010 at 05:55 AM.
09-25-2010, 05:49 AM
#589
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 7ERB, no M88, no 7ER, no A320, NEXT!
Posts: 397
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl;
ALPA has an outside law firm on top of the in house counsel as well. You just do not like who they use.
ALPA has an outside law firm on top of the in house counsel as well. You just do not like who they use.
Ahh yes, Cohen, Weiss and Surrender!
09-25-2010, 06:29 AM
#590
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 757/767 F/O
Posts: 74
Originally Posted by cactusmike
Sorry for jumping in at the tail end of the thread but...
Look At USAPA for a prime example of how not to set up a union. They are looking to the Teamsters now as a "strategic alliance" because USAPA itself is pretty ineffectual. 400 plus grievances outstanding, the same shills that sucked at the FPL teat under the old US Airways have reinvented themselves at USAPA.
Dues at USAPA are higher than in ALPA if you count all the assessments for all the lawsuits and investigations going around. Legal fees for USAPA are most of the budget, legal fees run up suing fellow pilots. There is no adult supervision, you cannot recall the president or other executive members without going through a very convoluted process. Thousands of dollars are spent on frivolous things without anyone being held accountable.
You want problems? Just let the hardliners seize control of your union and see how effective your negotiations become. ALPA isn't pretty but going it alone is not the answer.
The real solution for ALPA is to go back to being an association for the big guys and split the regionals off to a RALPA. You can share the backoffice functions but the organizational chart would be separate.
Look At USAPA for a prime example of how not to set up a union. They are looking to the Teamsters now as a "strategic alliance" because USAPA itself is pretty ineffectual. 400 plus grievances outstanding, the same shills that sucked at the FPL teat under the old US Airways have reinvented themselves at USAPA.
Dues at USAPA are higher than in ALPA if you count all the assessments for all the lawsuits and investigations going around. Legal fees for USAPA are most of the budget, legal fees run up suing fellow pilots. There is no adult supervision, you cannot recall the president or other executive members without going through a very convoluted process. Thousands of dollars are spent on frivolous things without anyone being held accountable.
You want problems? Just let the hardliners seize control of your union and see how effective your negotiations become. ALPA isn't pretty but going it alone is not the answer.
The real solution for ALPA is to go back to being an association for the big guys and split the regionals off to a RALPA. You can share the backoffice functions but the organizational chart would be separate.
Carl, you say things like lawyers and aeromed will be the same or cheaper? Really? How much do we pay now and what's the cost going to be? Answer: You have no clue so how can you say that?
There's a big reason CAL went back to ALPA after IACP (I was an IACP dues payer and volunteer at one point in my life). The politics of how they came back aside, bottom line is they needed ALPA much more than ALPA needed them. It's the same reason FedEx joined ALPA. (Side note, once the IACP came to ALPA, Mainline and Express split off from one group....hmmm precedent? Compass/Delta? See catusmike's post above and see if a lightbulb goes off)
The solution is done through voting, not going it alone.
Of course if our largest pilot base, Council 44 can only muster up 35% of people to vote for their own reps I think DPA's proclamation of being "well on their way" by spring of getting their 6500 cards is a real stretch. I know I won't be sending one in.
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