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Old 10-07-2011 | 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
B...S..., but it's predictable from the ALPA shills

Sadly, my alternate is continuing on with the bloated failure known as ALPA if the destination DPA doesn't win.

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Shills? What did you say about Grassy Knoll's a while back? Pot meet kettle

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Old 10-07-2011 | 06:20 AM
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3715 Members !

Only 2785 to go. Bring membership cards with you on your next trip and spread them out. I can see ALPA off the property already...
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Old 10-07-2011 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
3715 Members !

Only 2785 to go. Bring membership cards with you on your next trip and spread them out. I can see ALPA off the property already...
Is that the number of website registrees or valid cards on file with the NMB?
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Old 10-07-2011 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
3715 Members !

Only 2785 to go. Bring membership cards with you on your next trip and spread them out. I can see ALPA off the property already...
Wow! After well over a year, about 25% have allegedly sent cards in. That number is suspect. Even if it's accurate, it's weak. If the choice was as obvious as you, Carl, and the rest of the ALPA-bashers make it, your crusade is not going well. According to Caplinger's posts on the DPA site, the goal was to get a strong majority of pilots to sign up before he would call for an election. Based on your post, it looks like that goal has been abandoned, and you'd be happy just to screw up contract negotiations with a ballot triggered by a 50-50 split.

Of course you'll blame ALPA for the individual decision by 3/4 of the pilot group to NOT sign on to DPA. It couldn't possibly be that DPA is a bad idea being promoted by angry pilots who don't play well with others. Naaa!
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Old 10-07-2011 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
3715 Members !

Only 2785 to go. Bring membership cards with you on your next trip and spread them out. I can see ALPA off the property already...
This thing is like a snowball rolling downhill. If it succeeds, ALPA only has themselves to blame.

If:

a. TWA judgement drains the coffers and assessments begin.

b. A contract extension is floated

c. UCAL leave

d. Opener/TA inadequate

e. More stonewalling on legitimate resolutions

The cards will be there and then the games begin.
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Old 10-07-2011 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
Wow! After well over a year, about 25% have allegedly sent cards in. That number is suspect. Even if it's accurate, it's weak. If the choice was as obvious as you, Carl, and the rest of the ALPA-bashers make it, your crusade is not going well. According to Caplinger's posts on the DPA site, the goal was to get a strong majority of pilots to sign up before he would call for an election. Based on your post, it looks like that goal has been abandoned, and you'd be happy just to screw up contract negotiations with a ballot triggered by a 50-50 split.

Of course you'll blame ALPA for the individual decision by 3/4 of the pilot group to NOT sign on to DPA. It couldn't possibly be that DPA is a bad idea being promoted by angry pilots who don't play well with others. Naaa!
You are correct DPA is being promoted by angry pilots...... Pilots angry with ALPA!
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Old 10-07-2011 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
You are correct DPA is being promoted by angry pilots...... Pilots angry with ALPA!
Those angry pilots could change a lot and very quickly if they got involved and recalled a rep. Somehow that is not something they want to do.
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Old 10-07-2011 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Those angry pilots could change a lot and very quickly if they got involved and recalled a rep. Somehow that is not something they want to do.
Because they know it would be a waste of time and energy. DALPA is very good at spooling up their political machine and fending off recall attempts. Combine that with a generally apathetic pilot group, and you would take the focus of the DPA guys off their objective and cause them to waste time and effort on a lost cause. Just take a look at the last major recall attempt a few years ago in ATL if you want to understand what I'm talking about.

Plus, that still doesn't solve the problems with ALPA National and conflict of interest.

I can completely understand why DPA does not consider this to be an alternative.
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Old 10-07-2011 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Because they know it would be a waste of time and energy. DALPA is very good at spooling up their political machine and fending off recall attempts. Combine that with a generally apathetic pilot group, and you would take the focus of the DPA guys off their objective and cause them to waste time and effort on a lost cause. Just take a look at the last major recall attempt a few years ago in ATL if you want to understand what I'm talking about.

Plus, that still doesn't solve the problems with ALPA National and conflict of interest.

I can completely understand why DPA does not consider this to be an alternative.

I also suspect that those in the know also know that what you described is a straw many that most are not willing to fight against. With the vocal group (refuse to call them a minority because I know many that are considered part of the "silent majority that are unhappy, but refuse to entertain doing anything to change it) not acting, don't you think that is what many want? Take your marbles to a new game that you have little hope of winning, and in return they do not have to deal with any organized effort to call BS.

I truly believe that if DPA or its supporters organized and even tried to recall a few reps, the action and organization would not go unnoticed.

I guess it does not matter because what we have is the group that was always the "checkers" not checking to the level they used to. As you said, they do not even want to focus on keeping their reps feet to the fire.

If that is the road you want to go down, fine, but understand that having a group of DPA's size not unified with the rest of the group could prove disastrous in the upcoming Section 6.
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Old 10-07-2011 | 01:39 PM
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Boys, I really don`t care who represents the Delta pilots. I`m long gone, but have a question. Don`t those cards expire after one year?
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