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Old 10-11-2014 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
I was not under the impression that Capt. Malone served at the pleasure of the NWA MEC. You PERSONALLY experienced his goal setting, communication and leadership how exactly?
This is the kind of thing that damages your credibility here RBF. Think real hard...is there no other way someone could experience John Malone's goal setting, communication, and leadership skills except by being a Delta pilot? Think real hard. I'll give you a hint: Both NWA and Delta were ALPA represented airlines.

Think just a little bit before you post.

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Old 10-11-2014 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
This is the kind of thing that damages your credibility here RBF. Think real hard...is there no other way someone could experience John Malone's goal setting, communication, and leadership skills except by being a Delta pilot? Think real hard. I'll give you a hint: Both NWA and Delta were ALPA represented airlines.

Think just a little bit before you post.

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You are the most arrogant condescending "person" I have ever seen in my life.
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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
At least be honest.
Exactly how was Jerry dishonest about his post? Please show a single word or inference that was dishonest. Here it is again for your review:

Originally Posted by gzsg
I took the time to read all of his communication. Among other volunteer positions at NWA ALPA I served on the Communications Committee and was a spokesman for the 1998 strike. I spent a great deal of time with young Captain Moak during the time as he took the time to come observe.

IMO if Captain Malone was todays MEC Chairman we would have over a 90% response to our contract survey. Because he took the time to set goals, lead and communicate.
Now don't go radio silent again Alfa, where was Jerry dishonest?

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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Since all the DPA supporters here agree that the vote isn't going to happen, why doesn't TC see the same inevitable fate and stop taking people's money?
I wish it were not true but ALPA can never be fixed.

Look at theALPA presidential election. Could Tim Canoll be any more out of touch with reality? He lives in another universe.

Read the October issue of ALPA magazine. It has one of those cool double pictures where you get to find all the mistakes.

Makes us feel better about needing a 20% increase to hit hourly rates that.are over a.decade old.

Who needs medical insurance.when ALPA provides a monthly suduko!!
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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gzsg
I wish it were not true but ALPA can never be fixed.

Look at theALPA presidential election. Could Tim Canoll be any more out of touch with reality? He lives in another universe.

Read the October issue of ALPA magazine. It has one of those cool double pictures where you get to find all the mistakes.

Makes us feel better about needing a 20% increase to hit hourly rates that.are over a.decade old.

Who needs medical insurance.when ALPA provides a monthly suduko!!
Not a single thing you wrote in your post adressed my question.
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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
At least be honest. He was MEC Chairman during the biggest concession in Delta history.
Was that during the Delta bankruptcy?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I supported the deal so I don't criticize that performance.
Good, so you supported John Malone's performance...or at least can't be critical of his performance.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo
However, if you had been a Delta pilot then you would have called him every name that you use now to denigrate those leading the union and would have voted no. You would call him a gigantic surrender monkey.
Pure speculation and BS on your part Alfa. You haven't a clue of what we would have thought had we been here.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo
You are just creating some false god because Malone has supported the DPA.
You just said that even you couldn't criticize John's performance. Now you call him a false god? Man you are one fickle dude.

Originally Posted by alfaromeo
He did not communicate any more or less than any other administration. You have no idea what his leadership style was.
Like I said to Rather B Fishin, you don't have to fly for Delta to know another union leader's leadership style. I know you know that, therefore your claim's to the contrary ring of a guy trying to disqualify someone else because their factual correctness makes you queasy.

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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Not a single thing you wrote in your post adressed my question.
I hope you aren't surprised at that.
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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Yes and I GUARANTEE that you don't start your pontification when using the privilege of riding on some one elses jumpseat.
First of all, you and I have never met or spoken. Therefore you can't GUARANTEE anything. Second, I've had some terrific talks and debates during transcon jumpseat trips with former south guys. Even the guys who are DALPA supporters provided great thoughts and respectful debate. No "pontificating" from either side.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Sitting in a jumpseat is not the same as working next to an individual but you knew that.
It's exactly the same, but you knew that too. I always throw on a headset, adhere to the crew brief and become an extra set of eyes and ears throughout the flight. I talk and we share stories. I covet the Milanos and Kit Kat bars, and provide the perfect alibi in case someone farts. If that's not the same as working together, I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Your "whale" cockpit (echo chamber) is an entirely different arena,
Yes, the 747 is entirely different. We actually utilize a different atmosphere when we fly.

Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
as well as your corporate office, office, office, office, office, office.........
Corporate office environments are definitely different. That's for sure.

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Old 10-11-2014 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
I actually had Carl on my jumpseat a couple of years ago. Tremendously enjoyed his "pontification." In fact, it sounded pretty much the same as the "pontification" I hear from most of the guys I fly with.
I remember that! What a great flight. If I recall correctly, we both "pontificated" about the impending wedding of your daughter.

So when are you gonna ride my jumpseat? 14 hours isn't nearly as bad as it sounds.

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Old 10-11-2014 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dorfman
You are correct. I and many others initially sent in our cards to support DPA because of the missteps that they had made. Had DPA not shoot itself in the foot so many times myself and others would have kept our cards current and we would have had a vote by now. Unfortunately TC can't stop the self inflicted wounds.
I don't disagree with you Dorfman. Tim definitely made mistakes. But his biggest one was not understanding that the main goal of the Special Committee was to personalize DPA as one individual...namely Tim. It was a terrible embarrassment for DALPA to know that at one time, 5,800 delta pilots (majority south pilots) sent in a card. It was imperative for DALPA to deflect that embarrassment by ignoring the fact that DPA meant 5,800 Delta pilots, and instead re-define DPA as the personal grudge by one crazy person against ALPA. Tim had to know that was going to be the tactic, but he was unable to defend against it. In fact, he played right into it.

Originally Posted by Dorfman
Well since your post out number me by 1000 to 1 almost I don't routinely post anything. My average once a week post is no comparison to the constant barage of your posts.
It's not the number of posts as much as it is the content. The vast majority of your posts have been strongly pro-ALPA...as I'm sure mine have been against. That's all I was saying.

Originally Posted by Dorfman
Carl appreciate your conviction for DPA and the fact you think it is the best approach for the group. At this point I don't agree but in the end we want the same thing and that is what is best for the pilot group.
And I appreciate you for the respectful debate.

Carl
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