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11-10-2014 | 02:41 AM
#9511
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From: Sitting SC at the Five Towns
Try getting stuck in a hotel van with them, they make Jehovah's Witnesses seem like girl scouts. Nothing but deep-seated demonic hate of all things ALPA.
But, never fear -- they're just a few votes short.
But, never fear -- they're just a few votes short.
11-10-2014 | 07:09 AM
#9512
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From: 7ERA
Capt. Donald L. Moak is a National Officer.
All final ALPA CBAs are reviewed and approved by national. I'm not saying local officers don't sign them, but the inclusion of national reflects conflict of interest with regional airlines.
Section 28 Page 3
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the pa 1 rties hereto have signed this PWA this __th day of ____ 2012.
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3 FOR THE COMPANY FOR THE ASSOCIATION
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6 ____________________________ ________________________
7 Richard H. Anderson Captain Donald L. Moak
8 Chief Executive Officer President
All final ALPA CBAs are reviewed and approved by national. I'm not saying local officers don't sign them, but the inclusion of national reflects conflict of interest with regional airlines.
Section 28 Page 3
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the pa 1 rties hereto have signed this PWA this __th day of ____ 2012.
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3 FOR THE COMPANY FOR THE ASSOCIATION
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6 ____________________________ ________________________
7 Richard H. Anderson Captain Donald L. Moak
8 Chief Executive Officer President
ALPA has a huge conflict of interest with regional airlines. DALPA and UALPA don't sign their own CBAs. National does, and national can't sign insourcing CBAs that damage regional airlines otherwise it may face DFR liability.
Look at how successful APA is as a union! Take control of your representation! Vote in DPA!
Look at how successful APA is as a union! Take control of your representation! Vote in DPA!
Where is the B scale at APA today? APA never surrendered scope. ALPA industry standard scope was forced via Clinton. APA asking for executive intervention against a strike is speculative. Today, APA is 100% scab free.
ALPA has an amazing past, but the inclusion of regional airlines is a mistake.
I'm not advocating that DALPA join APA. I'm asking that DALPA pilots consider representing purely their own interests.
ALPA has an amazing past, but the inclusion of regional airlines is a mistake.
I'm not advocating that DALPA join APA. I'm asking that DALPA pilots consider representing purely their own interests.
11-10-2014 | 08:05 AM
#9513
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From: window seat
All they have to do is "meet and confer."
That's it. We can take back any amount of scope we want to, anytime we want to.
But we have to want to. And bargain for it. That is the only road block we face. Regional DFR's are meaningless empty threats as long as we check the right boxes and let them know we are taking it back.
There is an inherent conflict in any "association". If DL signs a contract that helps the company succeed, can UALPA sue under DFR, or vice versa? Nope. Not even close. If JB signs a contract that undercuts DL and UA and allows them continued growtn in the face of capacity dicipline everywhere else, can they sue ALPA for DFR? Nope.
11-10-2014 | 09:33 PM
#9514
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From: Right of the Left Seat
Actually, it's exactly what you said, when you said:
You said they don't sign their own CBAs. Then you said you didn't say they don't sign them.
DALPA pilots have been considering it for 4 1/2 years since the card drive began. If the DPA was going to happen, it would have done so long ago. Still hearing a pilot advocate for it today feels like listening to a guy still *****ing about the Western merger. Enough already. It's over.
You said they don't sign their own CBAs. Then you said you didn't say they don't sign them.
DALPA pilots have been considering it for 4 1/2 years since the card drive began. If the DPA was going to happen, it would have done so long ago. Still hearing a pilot advocate for it today feels like listening to a guy still *****ing about the Western merger. Enough already. It's over.
The point I'm trying to demonstrate is that the ALPA National President's signature is the overriding signature.
That's actually not true at all.
All they have to do is "meet and confer."
That's it. We can take back any amount of scope we want to, anytime we want to.
But we have to want to. And bargain for it. That is the only road block we face. Regional DFR's are meaningless empty threats as long as we check the right boxes and let them know we are taking it back.
There is an inherent conflict in any "association". If DL signs a contract that helps the company succeed, can UALPA sue under DFR, or vice versa? Nope. Not even close. If JB signs a contract that undercuts DL and UA and allows them continued growtn in the face of capacity dicipline everywhere else, can they sue ALPA for DFR? Nope.
All they have to do is "meet and confer."
That's it. We can take back any amount of scope we want to, anytime we want to.
But we have to want to. And bargain for it. That is the only road block we face. Regional DFR's are meaningless empty threats as long as we check the right boxes and let them know we are taking it back.
There is an inherent conflict in any "association". If DL signs a contract that helps the company succeed, can UALPA sue under DFR, or vice versa? Nope. Not even close. If JB signs a contract that undercuts DL and UA and allows them continued growtn in the face of capacity dicipline everywhere else, can they sue ALPA for DFR? Nope.
You need not bargain for any scope going forward. Just keep scope exactly where it is and regionals will fade and you'll solve the pilot shortage.
11-10-2014 | 10:08 PM
#9515
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11-11-2014 | 03:47 AM
#9517
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Try flying a 3 day trip with TC. Nothing but anger and resentment.
11-11-2014 | 04:53 AM
#9518
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Over his stubborn "leadership" of a fratricide, xyxotic quest to nowhere?
I'd be angry and resentful also. The guy started out angry and resentful, most notably over his furlough. Instead of investing in a little constructive therapy, he evidently doubled down on bitterness every chance he got, and sprinkled in a little cray-cray to boot.
A propos of nothing, I just watched the Caine Mutiny. Nice movie.
I'd be angry and resentful also. The guy started out angry and resentful, most notably over his furlough. Instead of investing in a little constructive therapy, he evidently doubled down on bitterness every chance he got, and sprinkled in a little cray-cray to boot.
A propos of nothing, I just watched the Caine Mutiny. Nice movie.
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11-11-2014 | 06:26 AM
#9519
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From: Road construction signholder
Yep, TC has a few "issues." How anyone can hang their hat on the DPA with him still (and let's face it, forever) at the helm boggles me.
1. He can't get over the fact that he was furloughed by NWA. He literally grinds his teeth and loses sleep over it to this day.
2. He blames everyone and anyone for it, and since he can't really hurt NWA anymore, he decided that ALPA/DALPA was the bad guy who needed to pay.
3. He is actually at the point where he believes his own press releases. Beware of anyone who has reached that point of self-importance.
1. He can't get over the fact that he was furloughed by NWA. He literally grinds his teeth and loses sleep over it to this day.
2. He blames everyone and anyone for it, and since he can't really hurt NWA anymore, he decided that ALPA/DALPA was the bad guy who needed to pay.
3. He is actually at the point where he believes his own press releases. Beware of anyone who has reached that point of self-importance.
11-11-2014 | 07:16 AM
#9520
Straight QOL, homie
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
It's very ironic that TC has done more to keep ALPA on the property than ALPA ever could. Imagine his angst if he ever realizes that.
If he had stepped aside a couple of years ago, we would have voted by now and put the whole thing to rest one way or the other.
I do think attempting to hang all of the in-house union sentiment around him alone is ill-advised.
There are thousands of perfectly (well, reasonably) sane Delta pilots who despise the bloated, wasteful, and opaque bureaucracy ALPA has become.
If he had stepped aside a couple of years ago, we would have voted by now and put the whole thing to rest one way or the other.
I do think attempting to hang all of the in-house union sentiment around him alone is ill-advised.
There are thousands of perfectly (well, reasonably) sane Delta pilots who despise the bloated, wasteful, and opaque bureaucracy ALPA has become.
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