Delta Pilots Association
06-06-2015, 05:53 PM
#9554
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
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Dalpa is the Delta branch of ALPA.
DPA (Delta Pilots Association) is a notional in-house union that would be completely independent of ALPA. It has been unsuccessful garnering enough support to trigger a vote.
An inadequate TA could conceivably propel it to a vote.
DPA (Delta Pilots Association) is a notional in-house union that would be completely independent of ALPA. It has been unsuccessful garnering enough support to trigger a vote.
An inadequate TA could conceivably propel it to a vote.
06-11-2015, 09:21 AM
#9558
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 463
I posted this in response to some comments on another thread and thought it beared repeating here:
You attempt to emasculate Tim and the DPA while telling us to stick with ALPA. Where's the outrage when it comes to things ten times worse than anything Tim has every said or done?? Ignoring pilot input whether it be throwing pilot survey results in the waste bin (don't waste your breath telling me I don't know that because I haven't seen the survey ALPA wont share...that BS talking point has run its course). Shutting down the DALPA message board, censoring the Delta MEC Facebook page by removing hundreds of posts, DALPA reps ignoring their constituents in an attempt to steamroller a POS TA forward with slight of hand and a FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, DOUBT campaign! In some countries this activity would be considered treason and get you hanged, drawn and quartered. Clearly, DALPA has shown through their actions, they neither want nor care what the membership has to say. It's top down politics at it's worst!
Most of what I have seen from DPA has been a passionate attempt to get pilots represented again with accountability (block representation, easier to kick out reps who get in bed with management, vote for your union president, cut waist such as $30,000 ALPA oil paintings and free liquor and pricey hotels for those who clearly do not answer to the dues paying membership).
Again, where is the outrage when it comes to the outlandish sins committed by DALPA?? You try to smear Tim's name telling us he's just a disgruntled NWA guy who lost seniority BS. Tim is a freaking saint compared to some of the DALPA insiders who brought us this TA. Please show some willingness to examine the mote in your own eye (DALPA) before trying to remove from another who would likely serve this pilot group much better. All that said, Tim has stated repeatedly, and it's in the Delta Pilots Association bylaws, the membership will directly elect their leadership. Tim will not be elected. End of story.
Oh so you're "Mr. Voice of Reason"? The guy that's going to tell us, "while this is not an optimal agreement there have been other bad agreements and they turned out livable...pilots are whiners!" You say you are voting no now but you will be back here in a few weeks with "so after getting all the info and realizing we will get parked yada yada I've decided to vote yes and recommend for each of you to do the same...there are some really good points I had not noticed before in my initial anger. I'm good with it now...we aren't going to win the lottery you know!"
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
I don't totally disagree (I plan on voting NO) but "dump ALPA?" To be replaced with what? The DPA? What a joke that "organization" is.
But in the 18 years I have been here there have been several TAs. All of them were greeted with wailing, gnashing of teeth, "I'm sending in my DPA card!" pronouncements, etc.
I don't totally disagree (I plan on voting NO) but "dump ALPA?" To be replaced with what? The DPA? What a joke that "organization" is.
But in the 18 years I have been here there have been several TAs. All of them were greeted with wailing, gnashing of teeth, "I'm sending in my DPA card!" pronouncements, etc.
Most of what I have seen from DPA has been a passionate attempt to get pilots represented again with accountability (block representation, easier to kick out reps who get in bed with management, vote for your union president, cut waist such as $30,000 ALPA oil paintings and free liquor and pricey hotels for those who clearly do not answer to the dues paying membership).
Again, where is the outrage when it comes to the outlandish sins committed by DALPA?? You try to smear Tim's name telling us he's just a disgruntled NWA guy who lost seniority BS. Tim is a freaking saint compared to some of the DALPA insiders who brought us this TA. Please show some willingness to examine the mote in your own eye (DALPA) before trying to remove from another who would likely serve this pilot group much better. All that said, Tim has stated repeatedly, and it's in the Delta Pilots Association bylaws, the membership will directly elect their leadership. Tim will not be elected. End of story.
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
The funny thing is that six months after ratification half the complainers couldn't tell you what they were spun up about if their life depended on it. Or as one poster once said, "this week's 'crisis' is next week's footnote." I still plan on voting NO, because the TA doesn't measure up in many ways.
The funny thing is that six months after ratification half the complainers couldn't tell you what they were spun up about if their life depended on it. Or as one poster once said, "this week's 'crisis' is next week's footnote." I still plan on voting NO, because the TA doesn't measure up in many ways.
06-11-2015, 09:30 AM
#9559
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Left seat of a little plane
Posts: 2,396
Originally Posted by EdGrimley
I posted this in response to some comments on another thread and thought it beared repeating here:
You attempt to emasculate Tim and the DPA while telling us to stick with ALPA. Where's the outrage when it comes to things ten times worse than anything Tim has every said or done?? Ignoring pilot input whether it be throwing pilot survey results in the waste bin (don't waste your breath telling me I don't know that because I haven't seen the survey ALPA wont share...that BS talking point has run its course). Shutting down the DALPA message board, censoring the Delta MEC Facebook page by removing hundreds of posts, DALPA reps ignoring their constituents in an attempt to steamroller a POS TA forward with slight of hand and a FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, DOUBT campaign! In some countries this activity would be considered treason and get you hanged, drawn and quartered. Clearly, DALPA has shown through their actions, they neither want nor care what the membership has to say. It's top down politics at it's worst!
Most of what I have seen from DPA has been a passionate attempt to get pilots represented again with accountability (block representation, easier to kick out reps who get in bed with management, vote for your union president, cut waist such as $30,000 ALPA oil paintings and free liquor and pricey hotels for those who clearly do not answer to the dues paying membership).
Again, where is the outrage when it comes to the outlandish sins committed by DALPA?? You try to smear Tim's name telling us he's just a disgruntled NWA guy who lost seniority BS. Tim is a freaking saint compared to some of the DALPA insiders who brought us this TA. Please show some willingness to examine the mote in your own eye (DALPA) before trying to remove from another who would likely serve this pilot group much better. All that said, Tim has stated repeatedly, and it's in the Delta Pilots Association bylaws, the membership will directly elect their leadership. Tim will not be elected. End of story.
Oh so you're "Mr. Voice of Reason"? The guy that's going to tell us, "while this is not an optimal agreement there have been other bad agreements and they turned out livable...pilots are whiners!" You say you are voting no now but you will be back here in a few weeks with "so after getting all the info and realizing we will get parked yada yada I've decided to vote yes and recommend for each of you to do the same...there are some really good points I had not noticed before in my initial anger. I'm good with it now...we aren't going to win the lottery you know!"
You attempt to emasculate Tim and the DPA while telling us to stick with ALPA. Where's the outrage when it comes to things ten times worse than anything Tim has every said or done?? Ignoring pilot input whether it be throwing pilot survey results in the waste bin (don't waste your breath telling me I don't know that because I haven't seen the survey ALPA wont share...that BS talking point has run its course). Shutting down the DALPA message board, censoring the Delta MEC Facebook page by removing hundreds of posts, DALPA reps ignoring their constituents in an attempt to steamroller a POS TA forward with slight of hand and a FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, DOUBT campaign! In some countries this activity would be considered treason and get you hanged, drawn and quartered. Clearly, DALPA has shown through their actions, they neither want nor care what the membership has to say. It's top down politics at it's worst!
Most of what I have seen from DPA has been a passionate attempt to get pilots represented again with accountability (block representation, easier to kick out reps who get in bed with management, vote for your union president, cut waist such as $30,000 ALPA oil paintings and free liquor and pricey hotels for those who clearly do not answer to the dues paying membership).
Again, where is the outrage when it comes to the outlandish sins committed by DALPA?? You try to smear Tim's name telling us he's just a disgruntled NWA guy who lost seniority BS. Tim is a freaking saint compared to some of the DALPA insiders who brought us this TA. Please show some willingness to examine the mote in your own eye (DALPA) before trying to remove from another who would likely serve this pilot group much better. All that said, Tim has stated repeatedly, and it's in the Delta Pilots Association bylaws, the membership will directly elect their leadership. Tim will not be elected. End of story.
Oh so you're "Mr. Voice of Reason"? The guy that's going to tell us, "while this is not an optimal agreement there have been other bad agreements and they turned out livable...pilots are whiners!" You say you are voting no now but you will be back here in a few weeks with "so after getting all the info and realizing we will get parked yada yada I've decided to vote yes and recommend for each of you to do the same...there are some really good points I had not noticed before in my initial anger. I'm good with it now...we aren't going to win the lottery you know!"
This TA sucks. We have a process. We reject it. Perhaps fire the NC and bring in new ones. We don't recall reps just because they vote differently than we do. We don't claim that dogs and cats are living together and we will all be holding up "will fly for food" cardboard next week.
06-11-2015, 09:46 AM
#9560
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Joined APC: May 2012
Posts: 488
Originally Posted by Herkflyr
We don't recall reps just because they vote differently than we do.
Ummmm.....well sure we do.
If people feel their reps aren't representing their direction/goals/interests due to the way said rep votes, then yes, recall is an option.
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