F9er

The IBT "claimed" that the law that would prohibit his ruling of removing the posted documents were outside of his jurisdiction. Everything the IBT has done so far is purely political, the problem is that the only people they are really hurting is the RAH pilot group. 3 proposals were definitely in line with each other while the IBT's final proposal was so far out of reach its laughable. I am looking forward to hearing the reason's behind their proposal other than the "we bought you," because that went out the window a long time ago.

Out of curiosity, how many E-190's did RAH operate when they acquired Frontier?

LoitaHills

Don't know, don't care. Don't really care what the proposals say either.

I'm just watching this thread and I am wondering about your's and zooma-wha-call-it's stomping around blowing smoke about a trucker's union that represents pilots violating Federal NDAs and saying that some arbitrator got really stoked about it and wagged his finger at the union bosses and ordered them to comply with his mandate and they didn't so they really got in trouble for doing all this stuff...

So, what penalties were applied to the IBT for violating the NDA?

TillerEnvy

Laughable? So, your "Staple everybody below us" proposal was considered in-line? Get real.

hockeypilot44

I've read all three proposals. As an outsider, I believe the Midwest proposal will be the one chosen. I think the Midwest proposal takes care of the top 60 Midwest pilots and screws everyone else on that list. It is a well thought out proposal compared to the other two.

I'm guessing one of the pilots that wrote that proposal was right around number 60 on the Midwest list.

captfurlough

Just curious....can anyone here say with authority what 1) applicable law, or 2) applicable regulation, and or 3) NMB precedent says about the integration rights or status of those pilots on furlough at the time a merger transaction closes? Is there some restriction that gives preference to active pilots only?

LOOKING FOR FACTS.....not opinions.

ToiletDuck

There were four proposals. I don't know which ones you've read but there's still another one out there.

captfurlough

Where is there an explanation of the tiered method of SLI...there seems to be a number of opinions as to how that would work. Is there a standard method as prescribed or defined by the NMB...or are these tiers something each petitioner is using in their own way and with their own interpretations?

Again, looking for facts here...not opinions.

F9 Driver

As usual, these web boards are a fount of misinformation. There wasn't an NDA per se. There was an agreement between all of the parties involved to keep all of the information surrounding the SLI, including the proposals, confidential. Arbitrator Eischen isn't a federal judge. He can't send anyone to jail or impose penalties on anyone that aren't specified in the LPP 13(b) agreement (there are none called for). It was a gentleman's agreement between the parties, and known well to all.

The IBT went back on their word, Eischen asked them to mitigate the damage and remove the proposals from their website. The IBT leadership said no.

Will this cause Eischen's final decision to be different from what it would have been had they not have reneged on their promise? He says no. Take that for what it's worth, but whatever the repercussions - they have been earned by IBT leadership.

When Eischen makes his final decision we will deal with it. Until then, keep on posting...

F9er

Your right, the IBT proposal is very fair and does not show a windfall for any one group.

I have still not heard a valid reason as to why every rah pilot shouldn't be placed below EVERY F9 and MEA pilot other than "we bought you?"

Since we are all equals, how many E190's did you have on property the day of acquisition?

How may planes would of been parked if it were not for the "branded" operation? Fee for departure is drying up bud, your Ejet future isn't looking so bright anymore.

The FAPA proposal would leave everyone in the exact same position they were already at. No windfall for anyone, except the fact that now the rah pilots who went to rah as a career destination (assuming thats you Tiller) now have the option to move up to better equip and pay or stay on your widebody 190. With the IBT proposal EVERY F9 First Officer can expect to NEVER upgrade (best case) or retire as a RJ pilot (worst case). But your right, thats totally realistic.

frankwasright

"As usual, these web boards are a fount of misinformation. "

You're proof of that.


"The IBT went back on their word, Eischen asked them to mitigate the damage and remove the proposals from their website. The IBT leadership said no."

Really ? PROVE IT.State your source.What's that ? Don't have one ?

"The FAPA proposal would leave everyone in the exact same position they were already at. "

That's not an "integration". 7 year fences ?