USAirways Retirement Numbers
10-23-2011, 06:32 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by GQpilot
You have to remember that not a lot of places are hiring. The guys that I know of that recently got hired: One Air Whisky captain and one Piedmont captain. Both high time. The worst major is still better than the best regional.
10-23-2011, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
Your logic makes as much sense as the guy basing a jump on a future contract and a quick upgrade.
Also there is something to be said about a company who's management team admits to their system/routes being the weakest of the hub and spoke carriers. Who continue to say they rather keep their fleet at fleet minimums. A mgt team who openly admit they're pay is the weakest and always will be to stay competitive.....
Fyi.... I realize we dont choose and pick who will hire us. Its all about timing and opportunity. But few would choose or say Airways is the best pilot job out there.....
Also there is something to be said about a company who's management team admits to their system/routes being the weakest of the hub and spoke carriers. Who continue to say they rather keep their fleet at fleet minimums. A mgt team who openly admit they're pay is the weakest and always will be to stay competitive.....
Fyi.... I realize we dont choose and pick who will hire us. Its all about timing and opportunity. But few would choose or say Airways is the best pilot job out there.....
10-23-2011, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PaFlyer
again, you claimed airways got 6,000 applicants. personally i can't verify or deny that. but if your claim was true, why would there be so many for so few spots if it was such a bad place to work? i mean, you must admit that seems like an aweful lot. just sayin'
Also minus DAL doesn't USairways have some of the lowest requirements for a person to apply? Seem to remember only 1500 and an ATP written being the only requirements. There seem to be lots of chatter that a lot of the applicants were Regional FO's as compared to others.
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10-25-2011, 11:22 AM
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1. The closest to exact numbers I've seen are in some other threads linked above. You can take a look there.
2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.
3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.
4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.
5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.
All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.
2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.
3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.
4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.
5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.
All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.
10-25-2011, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VenetianFryCook
1. The closest to exact numbers I've seen are in some other threads linked above. You can take a look there.
2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.
3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.
4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.
5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.
All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.
2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.
3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.
4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.
5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.
All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.
Good post, I am also an ex RJ capt. (at a good regional) and I agree with everything you said. Crew scheduling will actually release you before your RSV even starts. Most of them don't play games at all and if they can let you go they do. Makes things a little more tolerable.
10-25-2011, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by VenetianFryCook
1. The closest to exact numbers I've seen are in some other threads linked above. You can take a look there.
2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.
3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.
4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.
5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.
All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.
2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.
3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.
4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.
5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.
All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.
I still remember flying with guys when I got hired and they would complain about something like the steak in the crew meal was too tough or the coffee wasn't strong enough. The f'in turbo-props I'd been flying previously didn't even have cup holders! I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the mighty Metro, but thank god I'm not flying them anymore.
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