The AirTran Pilots' Windfall and SLI
01-03-2011 | 06:29 PM
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[QUOTE=SteelHorseFlyer;
The last 9 years of hiring during AirTran's almost tripling in size means that 2/3 of the pilots hired were hired with extensive PIC experience, spotless records, and can-do attitudes that WILL blend well with the Southwest culture. [/QUOTE]
Yes, quite....but what to do with that other 1/3?
The last 9 years of hiring during AirTran's almost tripling in size means that 2/3 of the pilots hired were hired with extensive PIC experience, spotless records, and can-do attitudes that WILL blend well with the Southwest culture. [/QUOTE]
Yes, quite....but what to do with that other 1/3?
01-03-2011 | 09:15 PM
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01-03-2011 | 09:32 PM
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01-03-2011 | 09:41 PM
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"Simply stated, the rates of pay, rules and working conditions in the Chautauqua Pilots' collective bargaining agreement, are far superior to those found in the Shuttle America Pilots' collective bargaining agreement. As a result of the acquisition Shuttle America Pilots will be the beneficiaries of the superior rates of pay, rules and working conditions found in the Chautauqua Pilots collective bargaining agreement."
"A date of hire seniority integration, while it might not significantly dilute the seniority of the Chautauqua Pilots, would, to some extent, constitute a WINDFALL BENEFIT for the Shuttle America Pilots."
So at least one arbitrator thought differently.
l'm no lawyer, but it seems pretty clear.
01-03-2011 | 10:30 PM
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Both of your biases will be proved ultimately wrong. Relative seniority will have significant bearing, but workrules/contract (career expectations) will also come into play to a lesser extent.
Enjoy your merged sandbox.
Enjoy your merged sandbox.
01-03-2011 | 11:06 PM
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Whoa Whoa Whoa
Anything can happen if both sides agree. For example, SWA contract states a two year fence. But it could be less or more if agreed by both sides.
Every acquisition is not the same. This one is going to work since AirTran long time ago based their culture from SWA.
Will it work? Time will tell.
Every acquisition is not the same. This one is going to work since AirTran long time ago based their culture from SWA.
Will it work? Time will tell.
Boy I missed that one. If AT has SWA culture it is only because the pilot group has done a professional job, not beacause anything AT did.
AT supposedly the best management in the industry.
SWA has the best leadership in the industry.
You manage things, and lead people.
Trust me AT as a company has a lot to learn from SWA.
I personally would welcome some more leadership in the industry.
01-03-2011 | 11:13 PM
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Eric hoffer
Smokey, look back at the start of ValuJet and you will see that the business model was based on SWA and Delta. The culture was based on SWA. No arguments please, I was at ValuJet for several years.
Now you look at AirTran and there was a transformation to what it is today. Management put a huge knife in the back of the culture. The AirTran acquisition is still going to work. I will say this again, AirTran and its culture are the best fit with SWA. No other airline comes a close second.
Have a great year.
Now you look at AirTran and there was a transformation to what it is today. Management put a huge knife in the back of the culture. The AirTran acquisition is still going to work. I will say this again, AirTran and its culture are the best fit with SWA. No other airline comes a close second.
Have a great year.
I believe you believe what you are saying, but wow, you are way out in left field in the rain with fans pelting you with peanut shells.
In other words "I respectfully disagree "
01-03-2011 | 11:16 PM
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Here Ya GO
AirTran employees as a whole will indeed fit in well with SWA employees because we will appreciate the culture the most! In fact, I think we'll flourish quite well. After you get beaten down for so many years, you tend to really appreciate it when you're finally treated like a damned human being. May our management team get tangled and suffocated in their golden parachutes. A-holes.
Preach it from the mountain tops.
This is a proper perspective!
01-03-2011 | 11:32 PM
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Come On Now!!!!
Yes a few will gripe on both sides but really we all just want to (as they say at KATL) "Keep it moving"
If SWA culture can't survive a few whiners on both sides then it was no big deal to begin with.
Honestly I believe SWA's culture could survive a lot more than a merger with Airtran. In fact you might be surprised at the enthusiam boost SWA might get from freashly motivated group of pilots.
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