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Yes, AA is apparently grounding 25 80s this year, but they are still taking delivery of 2-3 737s each month. I am pretty certain that the deliveries will continue on into 2011 as well. While the parking of the 80s sounds bad, in reality, the fleet as of a few months ago included 12 in storage, 14 Spares, 5 MX, 3 Unassigned and 2 being modified. So, the parking of the 80s may not really have that much of an impact. I'd be shocked if the recalls end in August, but the AA management team has done stranger things in the past.
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Originally Posted by EagleDriver
(Post 1020142)
BullXXXX! Please stop with your unproven sunshine predictions. The facts are as follows.
aa73, you can try to be smug, act like you have the inside story and puff up the hopes of others but you know only as much as I know. Yes I have friends on the inside too! Pilots are making future plans based on message boards like this so please try to paint an accurate picture based on facts not your dreams. When conditions change I will be the first to back up your posts but until then I'll present the ACTUAL conditions present at AA. DECAF next time before you start casting stones. You're at mainline now, and your fellow AA pilots are not the enemy. |
Originally Posted by aa73
(Post 1018512)
Upgrade is at '91 hire for natives, late '88 hire for TWA. Holding a line is going to depend on which base and equipment you're on, as well as how quickly guys below you are getting recalled to your bid status.
Right now, if you get STL MD80 or 767 - as a former TWA pilot you're actually really close to holding a line, since you are entering a bid status where you automatically have protected seniority. All other bases, you will be on reserve for a while - some longer than others. As a MIA or LGA 737 pilot, it may not be too long since that's where most recallees go to. But if you get, say MIA or LGA 767, it's gonna be a much longer time since that's a much more senior bid status. In any case, welcome back... things are really starting to move here, and no end in sight. |
Originally Posted by EagleDriver
(Post 1020142)
.........The deliveries of 737's will end this year......
At any rate, it would appear an announcement one way or the other on either more Boeings or Airbuses, by the end of the month (could be neither, just as well). On the recall issue, I don't see any benefit to AA bringing back pilots just to make the current pilots fly more (or not call in sick) to get through the summer season. This wouldn't goose the current pilots anywhere and as a junior RSV getting more than my share of being whacked around, it hasn't or won't do that for me. Sounds like a vacation is in order for you. Might I suggest somewhere tropical ? |
Originally Posted by EagleDriver
(Post 1020142)
BullXXXX! Please stop with your unproven sunshine predictions.
aa73, you can try to be smug, act like you have the inside story and puff up the hopes of others but you know only as much as I know. Yes I have friends on the inside too! Pilots are making future plans based on message boards like this so please try to paint an accurate picture based on facts not your dreams. When conditions change I will be the first to back up your posts but until then I'll present the ACTUAL conditions present at AA. I'd guess your crystal ball is just as $hitty as everyone else's. |
AA has a market cap of 1.8 Billion, has debt of 12 Billion and 6 billion in cash. It's stock is essentially worthless trading at option value only. While I applaud any effort to modernize the fleet and grow the airline it may be too little too late. AA,s "management" team is incestuous and lack the leadership skills and the intestinal fortitude to lead us forward. We need new blood to survive.
I would encourage all furloughed pilots that have jobs to defer as long as you possibly can before you decide to pull the trigger. Those of you on the outside looking to get hired I would put AA somewhere behind Biman Bangladesh on the resume stack. All that being said, however, if AA survives then the first new hires that are in their early 20,s are going to be insanely senior for most of their careers. Throw the dice.. |
Originally Posted by AA gear puller
(Post 1020325)
AA has a market cap of 1.8 Billion, has debt of 12 Billion and 6 billion in cash. It's stock is essentially worthless trading at option value only. While I applaud any effort to modernize the fleet and grow the airline it may be too little too late. AA,s "management" team is incestuous and lack the leadership skills and the intestinal fortitude to lead us forward. We need new blood to survive.
I would encourage all furloughed pilots that have jobs to defer as long as you possibly can before you decide to pull the trigger. Those of you on the outside looking to get hired I would put AA somewhere behind Biman Bangladesh on the resume stack. All that being said, however, if AA survives then the first new hires that are in their early 20,s are going to be insanely senior for most of their careers. Throw the dice.. Ahhh......if I were only a young punk with luck.......... But, I digress. On the other hand, should AA need (or want) to wipe that debt out via BK, they'd be able to come out of it with the leanest balance sheet out there and competitive labor at all levels from flight crew to ground personnel. At that point, they'd be crazy not to expand like crazy and attempt to slingshot past the competition with their minimal debt and cheap costs and that would only feed the frenzy. Of course, the common shareholders would be sold down the river and perhaps those with fat A-funds who didn't get that lump sum while they could (stayed at the table too long) might get bungholed, but those junior might (that's MIGHT) finally get their own slingshot advancement they've been waiting for. This carrier has been spinning its wheels in the mud (or turning in cricles with a broken rudder, for you nautical types) for over a decade while virtually every other carrier large and small has at least attempted to define their future. Time for AA to s%&t or get off the pot now and I think they know it. How bad that dump smells and who has to use the can in the interim has yet to be determined, but the door to stall #1 has slammed shut and uncle AA has dropped trou and plopped onto the rim. Whistling has started and a newspaper is rustling, so if you're at AA or intend on joining, be ready to either plug your snout or bolt into the hall. |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1020347)
Yep.........definately 'Vegas' time for awhile......"step right up gents and try your luck". Of course, the young turks at the regionals would cast all concerns aside and jump at the brass (or in this case, red, white and blue) ring and go for broke.......in a heartbeat too and yes, those young and leading the first street wave here in over a decade very well may pole vault upwards in record time, although many of the old geezers need to bail or flop over first. The seniority list will go from 45-55 year olds abruptly to those in their late 20's to mid 30's.
Ahhh......if I were only a young punk with luck.......... But, I digress. On the other hand, should AA need (or want) to wipe that debt out via BK, they'd be able to come out of it with the leanest balance sheet out there and competitive labor at all levels from flight crew to ground personnel. At that point, they'd be crazy not to expand like crazy and attempt to slingshot past the competition with their minimal debt and cheap costs and that would only feed the frenzy. Of course, the common shareholders would be sold down the river and perhaps those with fat A-funds who didn't get that lump sum while they could (stayed at the table too long) might get bungholed, but those junior might (that's MIGHT) finally get their own slingshot advancement they've been waiting for. This carrier has been spinning its wheels in the mud (or turning in cricles with a broken rudder, for you nautical types) for over a decade while virtually every other carrier large and small has at least attempted to define their future. Time for AA to s%&t or get off the pot now and I think they know it. How bad that dump smells and who has to use the can in the interim has yet to be determined, but the door to stall #1 has slammed shut and uncle AA has dropped trou and plopped onto the rim. Whistling has started and a newspaper is rustling, so if you're at AA or intend on joining, be ready to either plug your snout or bolt into the hall. eaglefly, You crack me up! I had stuff comming out my nose and my AA crash pad mates were just looking at me like I was nutz. Keep it up |
Just yesterday, you were an Eaglet....and now it seems you have drunk a couple gallons of da kool aid. The future of Eagle is as unpredictable as AA.
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1020347)
Yep.........definately 'Vegas' time for awhile......"step right up gents and try your luck". Of course, the young turks at the regionals would cast all concerns aside and jump at the brass (or in this case, red, white and blue) ring and go for broke.......in a heartbeat too and yes, those young and leading the first street wave here in over a decade very well may pole vault upwards in record time, although many of the old geezers need to bail or flop over first. The seniority list will go from 45-55 year olds abruptly to those in their late 20's to mid 30's.
Ahhh......if I were only a young punk with luck.......... But, I digress. On the other hand, should AA need (or want) to wipe that debt out via BK, they'd be able to come out of it with the leanest balance sheet out there and competitive labor at all levels from flight crew to ground personnel. At that point, they'd be crazy not to expand like crazy and attempt to slingshot past the competition with their minimal debt and cheap costs and that would only feed the frenzy. Of course, the common shareholders would be sold down the river and perhaps those with fat A-funds who didn't get that lump sum while they could (stayed at the table too long) might get bungholed, but those junior might (that's MIGHT) finally get their own slingshot advancement they've been waiting for. This carrier has been spinning its wheels in the mud (or turning in cricles with a broken rudder, for you nautical types) for over a decade while virtually every other carrier large and small has at least attempted to define their future. Time for AA to s%&t or get off the pot now and I think they know it. How bad that dump smells and who has to use the can in the interim has yet to be determined, but the door to stall #1 has slammed shut and uncle AA has dropped trou and plopped onto the rim. Whistling has started and a newspaper is rustling, so if you're at AA or intend on joining, be ready to either plug your snout or bolt into the hall. |
Originally Posted by RI830
(Post 1020784)
Just yesterday, you were an Eaglet....and now it seems you have drunk a couple gallons of da kool aid. The future of Eagle is as unpredictable as AA.
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Originally Posted by RI830
(Post 1020784)
Just yesterday, you were an Eaglet....and now it seems you have drunk a couple gallons of da kool aid. The future of Eagle is as unpredictable as AA.
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1020928)
One of them giving Eagle guys a bad rep. Keep it up....:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1020831)
Everything about that post indicates uncertainty. How you came to any other conclusion leads me to believe there's a couple of bad jugs on your radial.
You know well enough, the more people you scare off....the less people below you when the the furlough man comes knockin! |
Doubt AA will stop the recalls in the fall. They are severly short staffed. Unless there's a HUGE cutback coming, which is always possible, but I haven't heard of huge capacity cuts yet. Plus, early retirements and new rest rules coming. Any validity to the stopped recalls? Anyone? just curious
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Originally Posted by RI830
(Post 1021074)
My response to you was more in regards to what seems to be a HIGH level of dislike for your current locale. You weren't this vocal when you were an Eaglet.
IMHO, my comments about my "current locale" are fairly balanced. There's good and not so good everywhere. I said the same of my experiences of Eagle while there too and pulled no punches with my opinions. To what degree others consider them is their own choice. Commuting on RSV with one of the worst RSV systems in the industry and poor staffing is never fun, however I signed up for this and thus accept it. That doesn't mean I won't acknowledge it, but aside from that aspect, my current local is an improvement over my past and it's future is FAR more likley to be more rewarding then my past.
Originally Posted by R1830
(Post 1021074)
You know well enough, the more people you scare off....the less people below you when the the furlough man comes knockin!
But of course you didn't, as this freudian slip belies the thought you'd enjoy it if me and hundreds of AA pilots were furloughed (or re-furloughed), otherwise you'd have used the term "if". I knew many Eagle pilots who salivated at that thought while I was there and it seems you're of this cloth (and your compadre chastises me for giving Eagle pilots a bad rep.......tsk, tsk). Scratch two more jugs. Additionally, it's folly to think any given pilot would be "scared off" going to any carrier based solely on opinion on a internet pilot forum, so this thought is something I don't know at all, but it seems you do and this too is error. It's unfortunate you're so misguided about my statements and opinions, but considering what's going on at Eagle, I can see that stress does indeed cloud the judgement and perception. I have many friends still at Eagle very concerned about the future and my sympathies go out to them and you. I certainly wish better for you, then apparently you do for me. |
Originally Posted by tone
(Post 1021080)
Doubt AA will stop the recalls in the fall. They are severly short staffed. Unless there's a HUGE cutback coming, which is always possible, but I haven't heard of huge capacity cuts yet. Plus, early retirements and new rest rules coming. Any validity to the stopped recalls? Anyone? just curious
I believe any possible fireworks, like TA's or more aircraft deliveries beyond the slow stream of 738's are still a ways off, but 40/month is better than nothing. |
Señor Fly,
I will admit that I am new to this forum. But the posts that i have read from you on the Eagle life thread vs this thread are quite different. On my opinion or background.....I spent 6 years in the right seat at Eagle and left for a career choice that would hopefully get me and my family to AA. Had I stayed.....I would be a DCE and pending the 824 issue....could hold a spot to go to AA. So I think that I have the background to understand a few things about AMR and the "operations" there. As for the furlough comment, isn't it "when" not "if"? I never wish for anyone to get furloughed.....I have the full intention to go to AA if able....why the he!! would I want you or anyone else to see the street? As to the scaring people away......there are too many people here and on Eagle Lounge (which I have been since 05) that make decisions based on info that they can gain from these forums. I have the power of "The Force" and know when to raise the bs flag.:D Simply.....I read a lot of negativity into your posts here and think that you have become much more critical and negative since your "flowing".
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 1021089)
I think many here will actually claim me to be MORE vocal then, then now.....or at least equal.
IMHO, my comments about my "current locale" are fairly balanced. There's good and not so good everywhere. I said the same of my experiences of Eagle while there too and pulled no punches with my opinions. To what degree others consider them is their own choice. Commuting on RSV with one of the worst RSV systems in the industry and poor staffing is never fun, however I signed up for this and thus accept it. That doesn't mean I won't acknowledge it, but aside from that aspect, my current local is an improvement over my past and it's future is FAR more likley to be more rewarding then my past. You did mean ""IF" the furlough man comes knockin", didn't you ? But of course you didn't, as this freudian slip belies the thought you'd enjoy it if me and hundreds of AA pilots were furloughed (or re-furloughed), otherwise you'd have used the term "if". I knew many Eagle pilots who salivated at that thought while I was there and it seems you're of this cloth (and your compadre chastises me for giving Eagle pilots a bad rep.......tsk, tsk). Scratch two more jugs. Additionally, it's folly to think any given pilot would be "scared off" going to any carrier based solely on opinion on a internet pilot forum, so this thought is something I don't know at all, but it seems you do and this too is error. It's unfortunate you're so misguided about my statements and opinions, but considering what's going on at Eagle, I can see that stress does indeed cloud the judgement and perception. I have many friends still at Eagle very concerned about the future and my sympathies go out to them and you. I certainly wish better for you, then apparently you do for me. |
40 per month is the announced number. No talk of stopping(but it changes fast when it does happen....)
Furloughs? Could happen at any time. The question is will it? Based on the current landscape it would appear to be less likely. $.02 worth of info there. Once the significant retirements start the risk of furloughs rapidly approaches zero. Next question - when do the 'significant retirements' start? Pick an annual number to qualify as 'significant'. If I had to pick a year I'd say 2014. So do you wait for the 'protection' of furlough risk being very low by waiting until 2014 or do you jump onto the list ASAP to get a better seniority number? (if you don't know the answer you must be new to the game...) Good luck. |
Originally Posted by RI830
(Post 1021177)
Señor Fly,
I will admit that I am new to this forum. But the posts that i have read from you on the Eagle life thread vs this thread are quite different. On my opinion or background.....I spent 6 years in the right seat at Eagle and left for a career choice that would hopefully get me and my family to AA. Had I stayed.....I would be a DCE and pending the 824 issue....could hold a spot to go to AA. So I think that I have the background to understand a few things about AMR and the "operations" there. As for the furlough comment, isn't it "when" not "if"? I never wish for anyone to get furloughed.....I have the full intention to go to AA if able....why the he!! would I want you or anyone else to see the street? As to the scaring people away......there are too many people here and on Eagle Lounge (which I have been since 05) that make decisions based on info that they can gain from these forums. I have the power of "The Force" and know when to raise the bs flag.:D Simply.....I read a lot of negativity into your posts here and think that you have become much more critical and negative since your "flowing". I think you've been hanging around Eagle lounge too long. From my past experience, it's hands down the most dysfunctional, caustic and perception altering airline website in existance filled with idiots and also IMO, moderated by a meglomaniac who has been allowed to take control by an absentee administrator. Spending too much time there listening to that drivel will bend your mind to the point of difficulty in accurately understanding anyone elsewhere in the industry on other forums. Go back and read my posts on this thread alone and I'll think you'll see more reality then fantasy. As for AA, again as I believe my posts on this thread will confirm, the jury is still out on AA (and Eagle's) future. It seems I haven't scared you off from AA, so why would others be certain to flee before arrival ? Again, I disagree with your perceptions of my comments about AA and Eagle past or present. |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 1021245)
40 per month is the announced number. No talk of stopping(but it changes fast when it does happen....)
Furloughs? Could happen at any time. The question is will it? Based on the current landscape it would appear to be less likely. $.02 worth of info there. Once the significant retirements start the risk of furloughs rapidly approaches zero. Next question - when do the 'significant retirements' start? Pick an annual number to qualify as 'significant'. If I had to pick a year I'd say 2014. So do you wait for the 'protection' of furlough risk being very low by waiting until 2014 or do you jump onto the list ASAP to get a better seniority number? (if you don't know the answer you must be new to the game...) Good luck. Before we talk about whether to jump on the list, perhaps we should at least wait for an announcement of street hiring, which would be months before actual employment offers. That easily, could be a year or more away. |
[QUOTE=eaglefly;1021267]Ahh......that explains it.
I think you've been hanging around Eagle lounge too long. From my past experience, it's hands down the most dysfunctional, caustic and perception altering airline website in existance filled with idiots and also IMO, moderated by a meglomaniac who has been allowed to take control by an absentee administrator. Spending too much time there listening to that drivel will bend your mind to the point of difficulty in accurately understanding anyone elsewhere in the industry on other forums. Then you must have never been on the "Bar and Grill".......the UPS pilots forum.......talk about drivel. |
Just had a friend who is a former-TWA instructor recalled at AA. He said they need him training quickly. FWIW.
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Looking for Ex-TWA MIAs
We are having a hard time tracking down some ex-TWA to notify them of pending AA recalls. In particular guys who were hired the beginning of 2001 and furloughed October 2001.
Please spread the word if you know of any ex-TWA who might be interested in the recall/deferral to please ensure their information is correct with Patty Taylor at AA. Appreciate it, SC |
Yeah, apparently he was first contacted by an old colleague.
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I heard 40 retired for July.. so if they're so short staffed ...:Dbetter start bringing in more than 40... it's only going to increase from here.
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Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
(Post 1021621)
I heard 40 retired for July.. so if they're so short staffed ...:Dbetter start bringing in more than 40... it's only going to increase from here.
Not an A/B fund guru, but I understand the market has great influence on when a senior pilot might throw in the towel. Sure would be interesting if a few hundreds pilots do a Peter pan out of AA on Aug. 1. |
Originally Posted by SouthCoast
(Post 1021428)
We are having a hard time tracking down some ex-TWA to notify them of pending AA recalls. In particular guys who were hired the beginning of 2001 and furloughed October 2001.
Please spread the word if you know of any ex-TWA who might be interested in the recall/deferral to please ensure their information is correct with Patty Taylor at AA. Appreciate it, SC Can you share any details with us about the recall's (number deferring, etc..) and when you expect to need to hire off the street? If not, I completely understandable. I was in the process of being hired (waiting for medical) when the layoffs started and have been waiting a long time to re-apply... ;) |
Originally Posted by FailOperational
(Post 1021959)
I sent a message to two former TWA Skybus guys I worked with from my facebook..
Can you share any details with us about the recall's (number deferring, etc..) and when you expect to need to hire off the street? If not, I completely understandable. I was in the process of being hired (waiting for medical) when the layoffs started and have been waiting a long time to re-apply... ;) Good luck to you, SC |
Several work colleagues who were ex-TW 96 hires have recently been recalled. They are deferring and will do so until forced to decide, apparently, three years after the last furloughee is recalled. There are better places to be than bottom of AA with a 35% pay cut from where they are now.
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i know several at K4 who have or will defer and will not go back..
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Originally Posted by EagleDriver
(Post 1020142)
BullXXXX! Please stop with your unproven sunshine predictions. The facts are as follows.
AMR has publically announced that they will ground 25 more S80's before the end of the year. AMR has not announced any replacements for those aircraft. The deliveries of 737's will end this year. AMR was previously grounding at least one S80 every time they recieved a new 737 (I've been delivering the 80's to Roswell). 777-300ER will not be available for a year and a half, minimum. Likewise the 787. There have been no announcements of new aircraft besides the six - 300ER's. APA, our pilot union, is at best sending out mixed messages. Multiple domicile chairmen are stating that AMR management has been lying again at the negotiating table to get us through the summer crunch. The negotiating team sent out a message stating they are disappointed in managements tactics at the table then a few days later at the direction of what many believe is a management friendly APA President, the negotiators send out a conflicting message stating they are re-energized at the table. AMR recalled furloughees recently because they were fearful of a mass exodus of senior pilots this summer due to falling market conditions. (This has partially come true, 42 retirements July 1, maybe a similar number Aug 1). AMR is losing market share in major markets and has announced no plans to stem the losses other than waiting for the other airlines labor contracts to catch up. That's it folks. Facts not some pipe dreams are what you should plan your future on. I could just as easily state, "According to the VP Flight they will stop recalls this fall after the summer crunch is over to prepare for the announced grounding of the 25 S-80's. There will be no more recalls until several months prior to AMR recieving 777-300ER's and then only if AMR has a signed agreement with APA by that time (which looks doubtful)". aa73, you can try to be smug, act like you have the inside story and puff up the hopes of others but you know only as much as I know. Yes I have friends on the inside too! Pilots are making future plans based on message boards like this so please try to paint an accurate picture based on facts not your dreams. When conditions change I will be the first to back up your posts but until then I'll present the ACTUAL conditions present at AA. American had already ordered 26 of the Boeing 737 aircraft. The airline disclosed Friday that it exercised an option to buy three more, and the AerCap deal also covered six planes to which American holds purchase rights. They're all Boeing 737-800 aircraft that are typically used on flights within the United States. Under the sale-leaseback arrangement, AerCap will buy the planes from American and lease them back to the airline. Bella Goren, the chief financial officer of American parent AMR Corp., said the agreement showed that the airline can efficiently raise capital to update its jet fleet. American reportedly is in talks for large new orders with aircraft makers Boeing and Airbus. Airline officials declined to comment on those reports Friday. Fort Worth-based American, the nation's third-largest airline company, wants newer and more fuel-efficient planes to replace the MD-80 series aircraft that make up about one-third of its fleet of more than 600 planes. Before Friday's announcement, the company expected to take delivery of 15 Boeing 737-800s this year, 28 next year and 14 in 2013. AMR shares fell 8 cents to $5.01, while shares of Netherlands-based AerCap rose 30 cents, or 2.4 percent, to $12.60 in morning trading. |
I'm probably talking out of turn, but it is conceivable AA could bring in new hire classes by next Spring. While retiring a cetain number of 80's, they are also brining online new 73's at a modest clip. Adding planes while grounding others isn't a bad thing, right?
More importantly and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't AA have more pilots over 60 than under 40? If true, retirements, especially early ones, could make hiring needed despite other actions. Finally and while I don't think the economy is great, there has been some modest recovery in aviation travel. We've been bouncing along the bottom for a while and, thanks to various factors, airlines aren't talking about furloughs, but rather recalls and even the possibility of hiring. I'm not an optimistic guy, but projections for new hiring aren't as crazy as they might sound. |
Originally Posted by Whacker77
(Post 1023101)
I'm probably talking out of turn, but it is conceivable AA could bring in new hire classes by next Spring. While retiring a cetain number of 80's, they are also brining online new 73's at a modest clip. Adding planes while grounding others isn't a bad thing, right?
More importantly and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't AA have more pilots over 60 than under 40? If true, retirements, especially early ones, could make hiring needed despite other actions. Finally and while I don't think the economy is great, there has been some modest recovery in aviation travel. We've been bouncing along the bottom for a while and, thanks to various factors, airlines aren't talking about furloughs, but rather recalls and even the possibility of hiring. I'm not an optimistic guy, but projections for new hiring aren't as crazy as they might sound. Is your glass half empty or half full? Based on AMR's past, mine is bone dry. Assuming AA doesn't go completely belly up, they will need to replace old airplanes and old pilots, but the big question is: Will it be a place anybody wants to work? |
After re-reading my post above, I guess I need to tone down the whining. Some good things are happening: Furloughees are returning, old guys are retiring, and new jets are arriving. If they start hiring off the street in the next year, it COULD be a great place to be in terms of seniority advances down the road.
The thing that I find most frustrating, and what would keep AA at the bottom of my list of hopefuls if I were starting to seek an airline job, is the apparent lack of a growth strategy by the company, and absolutely horrid labor/management relations. AMR seems content to take a wait-and-see attitude (and has for years) on everything. They used to be aggressive, industry leaders. And maybe APA WILL get an "industry leading" contract, but 5+ years into the process, the signs of hope are few and far between. Then again, I could be wrong... |
Mink, by chance, did you used to fly small planes out of SQL back in the early 90's? I am trying to figure out if I knew you... the guy I'm thinking of was an MD80 CA back then..
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Why does the American Airlines quicktake still show 1842 pilots still on furlough? It’s been stated in many places that American has been pulling flow through’s and recalls in. I just jump seated on a Flight recently and the CA stated he had received his recall and will not be going back.
It seems that by any calculation the company should be hiring from the street by 2012, ok you can tack on all your caveats to support or refute that. So back to the original question, why does the quicktake still show that many furloughs when it seems the company has been recalling for quite some time? |
The latest calls (recalls) were to early 1998 hires at TWA. Looks like the September class will start with pilots hired in '98. Just shy of a 9 year furlough for these pilots.
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That number includes pilots that have deferred already.
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Originally Posted by FailOperational
(Post 1023207)
Mink, by chance, did you used to fly small planes out of SQL back in the early 90's? I am trying to figure out if I knew you... the guy I'm thinking of was an MD80 CA back then..
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Originally Posted by Whacker77
(Post 1023101)
I'm probably talking out of turn, but it is conceivable AA could bring in new hire classes by next Spring. While retiring a cetain number of 80's, they are also brining online new 73's at a modest clip. Adding planes while grounding others isn't a bad thing, right?
More importantly and someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't AA have more pilots over 60 than under 40? If true, retirements, especially early ones, could make hiring needed despite other actions. Finally and while I don't think the economy is great, there has been some modest recovery in aviation travel. We've been bouncing along the bottom for a while and, thanks to various factors, airlines aren't talking about furloughs, but rather recalls and even the possibility of hiring. I'm not an optimistic guy, but projections for new hiring aren't as crazy as they might sound. AA has about 7x more guys over 60 vs. under 40. That's the active list and doesn't include under 40 furloughees. So the number of under 40 guys is probably equal to the number of 62.5+ guys at AA. :eek: |
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