what's fueling the hiring? age 65 isn't for another 1.5 years.... growth? or..

Alzheimer's :rolleyes:

Potential growth?
New reserve FAR's?
Potential increase in retirements?
To reduce possible manning that is too tight?
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Only one thing is for sure, management isn't telling us why.

People are bailing out early. They are way understaffed.

ok, thanks... so early retirements have started. I wonder then if when 65 sunsets, will there be a spike in the retirements there, or will it remain stable since a lot of the pressure has been taken off by early retirements. Anyone have a age/seniority list?

Retirements were single digits for the first couple months of the year. Last two months averaging 18. Avg for the year is 11 per month. Recalls is double that amount.

Those last 151 Eagle pilots are flow throughs with seniority numbers, so they will be called to AA in seniority order before hiring starts.

As has been said, it seems that recalls/flowthrough should finish by April. Off the street hiring should begin afterward.

I also remember something about allowing only 20 Eagle flowthroughs per month (or per class, don't remember) to prevent staffing shortfalls at Eagle. That could allow some off the street hiring sooner and at the same time cost some Eagle guys quite a few numbers on the seniority list if AA increases recalls/hiring to historical highs of 80-100/month.

Eagledriver - Correct. AE can limit transfers to 20 per month. While it's doubtful for manning reasons that AE would allow more than 20 per month to transfer I don't believe it's prohibited.

Eagle is in full hiring mode- perhaps to "preload" staffing?

No. That 20 per month was restricted to the 824 pilots slots given a one out of every two new hire positions. The Flowthroughs with numbers come over as called.

Not quite correct. The 20 per month limit that Eagle may impose is restricted to the 824 pilots who will go over when hiring starts. The flowthroughs with seniority numbers come over as called by AA.

The important question is how old are all of the guys set to flow up? I assume they're the most senior Eagle pilots and therefore a little bit older, too? Or, asked another way, could I still be a widebody captain by my early 40s?

(I still need something to dream about.)

The final group of numbered flowthru's range from about 40 to a few in their early 50's, so they're still geezers. A few may fall outside that. The question is how many of them will flow at first year pay and bottom barrel RSV in NY or MIA.

It's a tough life and other domiciles and/or hard lines will be a long road for them. Of course, the addition of a 100-seater could change both issues as well as a better RSV system and better staffing.

They'll have to have polished crystal balls.

APC still shows the most junior CA as a 1992 hire in LGA. Just curious whether there have been some upgrades along with all the recalls / flowthroughs?

That is correct, Jr CA (native) is 1992 hire. Jr TWA CA is around '89 TWA hire. However, every month now there have been 30-35 new CA vacancies, so things are starting to move. Keep in mind, we furloughed from '93-'96, and started hiring again in '98. So when the last '93 hire upgrades, it jumps up to a '98 hire.

That would give AA a quicker upgrade timeline than UPS, especially for lower 48 domiciles. Of course, UPS FOs make more than AA capts.

Slight correction, Jr. former TWA CA is September 1988 hire. ;)


EXTW

Thanks, Ex... My "around" caveat is plus or minus a couple years. adjusted for aging memory. ;)

Must be the hair roots digging deep. ;)

Is ORD the biggest base and how many crews does it have?

hum... I would have thought DFW was their largest base but perhaps not.

Herc is correct. For the month beginning July 2, 2011, the bases in order of size according to the company website shows largest to smallest in the following order with DFW approximately 50% bigger than 3 and 4.


DFW
MIA
LGA
ORD
LAX
SLT
BOS
DCA
SFO

DFW's also just about the hardest to get.

I'm sure this has been asked....but. What kind of upgrade time are we looking at? Even for the lowest #, before they start hiring off the street. How long after recalll are you able to hold a line? Just trying to plan for when the call comes.
Thanks

Upgrade is at '91 hire for natives, late '88 hire for TWA. Holding a line is going to depend on which base and equipment you're on, as well as how quickly guys below you are getting recalled to your bid status.

Right now, if you get STL MD80 or 767 - as a former TWA pilot you're actually really close to holding a line, since you are entering a bid status where you automatically have protected seniority.

All other bases, you will be on reserve for a while - some longer than others. As a MIA or LGA 737 pilot, it may not be too long since that's where most recallees go to. But if you get, say MIA or LGA 767, it's gonna be a much longer time since that's a much more senior bid status.

In any case, welcome back... things are really starting to move here, and no end in sight.

God I sure hope so!

Are the recalls going to just the 737 or the S80, too? Hope the movement keeps going right into newhires!

EMBflyer -

S80, 737, and 767.

How friendly is AMR to commuters? Do they have long call reserve?

So at what point will they "flip the switch" and allow resumes and apps? If things really are moving there fast it has to be soon, as they need time to open the window, build up the applications, train the interviewees, block the sim time (if there is a sim ride in the interview), interview and offer class dates (With the obligatory two week notice to give to your current company).

Basically, they aren't going to wait until every furloughed guy/girl is back before they amp things up. Are they?

I'm commuting on RSV and the current AA RSV system is terrible. It's worse than Eagle's. Due to tight staffing, scheduling is stingy about giving long calls unless they think you'll exceed 7 short call RAP's when they have to pay you extra.

With exceptions of minimum monthy days off (11/12 depending on month) and not violating your 3/4 golden days, virtually every other guideline allows scheduling discretion to do as they please.

Virtually every RSV day will either be a trip or a short call RAP in domicile (dumpy crash pad in MIA or NYC if you don't plan to move within close driving range of either two) and sick time usage among RSV pilots us high due to burnout.

It's pretty ugly right now.

It's possible AA will only bring back a few hundred recalls and then stop for awhile, so their could be the gap you describe.

Hopefully not though.

According to VP Flight and the guy who runs recall classes - they will be bumping it up to 40/month indefinitely and expect new hire classes by spring of next year. Don't forget, we get to the end of the recall list by end of this year, then another 150 or so AE FTs, then new hires. Looks like they will not be stopping any time soon.

Ouch. What's min pay per day you're called out?

73 hour guarantee and 85 hour max. Depending on status, you may or may not break guarantee. Sched would like to fly you about 60 hours and have do 7 RAP's to keep you cheap.

Daily guarantee doesn't mean much.

Bring 'em on Brutha........

So when you're called out you don't get a min, ie 4hrs per day,?

One reserve day = 3:50. Once on a trip, you fall under E, F, and G time, which are the duty/trip/min day rigs.

BullXXXX! Please stop with your unproven sunshine predictions. The facts are as follows.

AMR has publically announced that they will ground 25 more S80's before the end of the year. AMR has not announced any replacements for those aircraft. The deliveries of 737's will end this year. AMR was previously grounding at least one S80 every time they recieved a new 737 (I've been delivering the 80's to Roswell). 777-300ER will not be available for a year and a half, minimum. Likewise the 787. There have been no announcements of new aircraft besides the six - 300ER's. APA, our pilot union, is at best sending out mixed messages. Multiple domicile chairmen are stating that AMR management has been lying again at the negotiating table to get us through the summer crunch. The negotiating team sent out a message stating they are disappointed in managements tactics at the table then a few days later at the direction of what many believe is a management friendly APA President, the negotiators send out a conflicting message stating they are re-energized at the table. AMR recalled furloughees recently because they were fearful of a mass exodus of senior pilots this summer due to falling market conditions. (This has partially come true, 42 retirements July 1, maybe a similar number Aug 1). AMR is losing market share in major markets and has announced no plans to stem the losses other than waiting for the other airlines labor contracts to catch up. That's it folks. Facts not some pipe dreams are what you should plan your future on.

I could just as easily state, "According to the VP Flight they will stop recalls this fall after the summer crunch is over to prepare for the announced grounding of the 25 S-80's. There will be no more recalls until several months prior to AMR recieving 777-300ER's and then only if AMR has a signed agreement with APA by that time (which looks doubtful)".

aa73, you can try to be smug, act like you have the inside story and puff up the hopes of others but you know only as much as I know. Yes I have friends on the inside too! Pilots are making future plans based on message boards like this so please try to paint an accurate picture based on facts not your dreams. When conditions change I will be the first to back up your posts but until then I'll present the ACTUAL conditions present at AA.