US Airways files TRO
08-14-2011 | 03:28 PM
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SeaSlap8 makes perfect sense. I don't have a dog in this fight, but it seems like the Easties have made a mess of things. They have perverted what a labor union stands for. Unions were supposed to UNITE a labor group in order to prevent management from imposing unfair labor practices. USAPA was created because a majority of pilots (who were working for a company close to liquidation) disagreed with a decision made in binding arbitration. They DIVIDED a pilot group in order to get what they wanted. As someone who has been furloughed (twice) I would think that East pilots should have been happy to hold on to their jobs and continue their careers. Instead, they opted for less than optimal pay and work rules while alienating the West pilots and allowing the company to profit from the chaos and laugh all the way to the bank. Now they are losing the publicity battle as well. Looks to me like USAPA has failed on every level and given Americans another reason to distrust organized labor.
08-15-2011 | 04:09 AM
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SeaSlap8 makes perfect sense. I don't have a dog in this fight, but it seems like the Easties have made a mess of things. They have perverted what a labor union stands for. Unions were supposed to UNITE a labor group in order to prevent management from imposing unfair labor practices. USAPA was created because a majority of pilots (who were working for a company close to liquidation) disagreed with a decision made in binding arbitration. They DIVIDED a pilot group in order to get what they wanted. As someone who has been furloughed (twice) I would think that East pilots should have been happy to hold on to their jobs and continue their careers. Instead, they opted for less than optimal pay and work rules while alienating the West pilots and allowing the company to profit from the chaos and laugh all the way to the bank. Now they are losing the publicity battle as well. Looks to me like USAPA has failed on every level and given Americans another reason to distrust organized labor.
08-15-2011 | 04:57 AM
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This baby is WAY overdue for a "time out".
08-15-2011 | 05:17 AM
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It's really awful to see guys like you post this stuff. I remember way back when, AWA's initial group of pilots included a number of Wien Air Alaska scabs. Their influence is becoming clear.
You westies really need to wake up...and fast. This is a PILOT issue, not an east versus west issue.
Carl
You westies really need to wake up...and fast. This is a PILOT issue, not an east versus west issue.
Carl
08-17-2011 | 10:42 AM
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Well what do you usapa apologists think of this update? Sounds like the rats are getting a little worried.
Washington Domicile Update 08/17/2011
Washington Domicile Update 08/17/2011
Fellow DC pilots,
On Friday August 12, a hearing was held in the CLT Federal District court on the company's request to obtain a Temporary Restraining Order, TRO, against USAPA for an alleged illegal job action. The TRO request relates to US Airways' "Complaint for Injunctive Relief" which was filed against USAPA on July 29th, 2011. No rulings were issued but another hearing and possible action was scheduled for Friday August 19th. Due to the increase in legal activities and the seriousness of the outcomes on our union we have been attempting some fact finding. In accordance with a legal resolution the BPR passed last April, we had a conversation with two other Representatives and Lee Seham, USAPA's General Council. In our conversation with Lee, we learned of some issues related to the numerous legal challenges facing us, which we were not earlier made aware of. We both feel strongly that these issues need to be heard and addressed, in an urgent manner by your Board. Therefore, we are attempting to work in concert with our fellow Board members, and are calling for a Special Meeting of the BPR to be held in CLT in the very near future. It is also our intent to ensure that Lee be available to personally address the Board at this meeting. In the interest of transparency, we hope to be able to provide further details to you, shortly after we have had a chance to convene.
In the meantime, we once again remind you of what we published a week ago:
"We condemn any illegal actions or operations not in accordance with company policies. We know that all of you see the problems with the constant push for on time performance and the pressure to overlook many safety related items. Please continue to do your job as you always have done, professionally and safely, while following company edicts of safety, passenger comfort, schedule and efficiency. Thank you for your continued professionalism."
We would also like to state, that neither of us have voted for, or approved, any concerted effort asking you to take part in any operational slowdowns or illegal activities contrary to our contract and the regulations of the Railway Labor Act. We ask, as always, that you conduct a safe operation for our passengers and crews, but stress that you stay mindful of any line between safety and perceived illegal actions.
Fraternally,
Captain Joe Stein
DCA Chairman
[email protected]
(704) 264-6235
Pete Dugstad
DCA Vice Chairman
[email protected]
(980) 226-0018
Or contact both of us simultaneously at:
[email protected]
On Friday August 12, a hearing was held in the CLT Federal District court on the company's request to obtain a Temporary Restraining Order, TRO, against USAPA for an alleged illegal job action. The TRO request relates to US Airways' "Complaint for Injunctive Relief" which was filed against USAPA on July 29th, 2011. No rulings were issued but another hearing and possible action was scheduled for Friday August 19th. Due to the increase in legal activities and the seriousness of the outcomes on our union we have been attempting some fact finding. In accordance with a legal resolution the BPR passed last April, we had a conversation with two other Representatives and Lee Seham, USAPA's General Council. In our conversation with Lee, we learned of some issues related to the numerous legal challenges facing us, which we were not earlier made aware of. We both feel strongly that these issues need to be heard and addressed, in an urgent manner by your Board. Therefore, we are attempting to work in concert with our fellow Board members, and are calling for a Special Meeting of the BPR to be held in CLT in the very near future. It is also our intent to ensure that Lee be available to personally address the Board at this meeting. In the interest of transparency, we hope to be able to provide further details to you, shortly after we have had a chance to convene.
In the meantime, we once again remind you of what we published a week ago:
"We condemn any illegal actions or operations not in accordance with company policies. We know that all of you see the problems with the constant push for on time performance and the pressure to overlook many safety related items. Please continue to do your job as you always have done, professionally and safely, while following company edicts of safety, passenger comfort, schedule and efficiency. Thank you for your continued professionalism."
We would also like to state, that neither of us have voted for, or approved, any concerted effort asking you to take part in any operational slowdowns or illegal activities contrary to our contract and the regulations of the Railway Labor Act. We ask, as always, that you conduct a safe operation for our passengers and crews, but stress that you stay mindful of any line between safety and perceived illegal actions.
Fraternally,
Captain Joe Stein
DCA Chairman
[email protected]
(704) 264-6235
Pete Dugstad
DCA Vice Chairman
[email protected]
(980) 226-0018
Or contact both of us simultaneously at:
[email protected]
08-17-2011 | 12:10 PM
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In as much temporary satisfaction as one may get from watching this pathetic excuse for a union getting its little pee pee whacked repeatedly, in the end it's not good for east or west. If they lose we get to watch the company use the injunction as a bargaining tool against us. Maybe one day the east will wake up or enough will retire and we will get a real union and good contract. Maybe.......
08-17-2011 | 04:08 PM
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This is a freaking disgrace, what the east pilots have done is criminally stupid. These guys walked away from a contract in close out mode 4 years ago, elected usapa and reopened every single section of the contract. In the last 4 years they have made absolutely zero progress except keeping both eas and west pilot groups at the bottom. BTW they continue to squander industry leading west contract provisions so they can "buy" their doh from the company. Scumbags.
08-18-2011 | 06:37 AM
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This is a freaking disgrace, what the east pilots have done is criminally stupid. These guys walked away from a contract in close out mode 4 years ago, elected usapa and reopened every single section of the contract. In the last 4 years they have made absolutely zero progress except keeping both eas and west pilot groups at the bottom. BTW they continue to squander industry leading west contract provisions so they can "buy" their doh from the company. Scumbags.
Seriously, after all these years of reading your venom filled PR campaign against original US Airways pilots, and as a pilot group that did the same against ALPA on your property at one time, have you ever thought you and your pilot group might do better fighting it out in your own union meetings where it counts?
Stop your slander/whining and go do something about it! It's your property.
08-18-2011 | 07:48 AM
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Seriously, after all these years of reading your venom filled PR campaign against original US Airways pilots, and as a pilot group that did the same against ALPA on your property at one time, have you ever thought you and your pilot group might do better fighting it out in your own union meetings where it counts?
Stop your slander/whining and go do something about it! It's your property.
Stop your slander/whining and go do something about it! It's your property.
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