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Old 03-10-2007 | 11:57 AM
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Years ago trying to catch a UAL flight from NRT to BKK (flight 875). I was a regional F/O at the time in my mid-twenties. The capt. actually pulled out the scab list as I waited in the flightdeck. I thought it was odd since it was obvious (at least to me) I was too young to be a scab as the last strike at any airline was when I was around 15 yrs old!

Oh well, some guys like to show their power.
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Old 03-10-2007 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by N570UP
Oh well, some guys like to show their power.
No, some guys just like to be sure. It's also a way to show a younger pilot (you) what happens when you scab.

Good for him. I would suggest you totally missed his point.
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Old 03-10-2007 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fireman0174
No, some guys just like to be sure. It's also a way to show a younger pilot (you) what happens when you scab.

Good for him. I would suggest you totally missed his point.
Are you serious? One's moral character will prevent him from becoming one (scab). Not a "lesson" by anyone.

You will have to come up with something better because your views on this one are off base.

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Old 03-10-2007 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ryane946
I am interested as to what is the courteous way to do this. Say someone comes up and asks for a jumpseat. Do you just say, "What's your name, I need to check the SCAB list?" That would seem like that would offend a lot of people. Or do people generally not mind because you are doing a good deed by not offering a SCAB a jumpseat. Or do you check the list while they are not with you?

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I remember when I was a 27 year old Saab CPT jumping on one of the majors. I was young anyway, but looked even younger. When I asked the CPT for a ride, he said he had to check the scab list. The look on the FO's face was priceless; like the CPT had 2 heads. FO says, "He was probably in grade school the last time anyone crossed a picket line".
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Old 03-10-2007 | 02:01 PM
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I've had a few....

Jumping on Comair from CVG-MYR, I get on and there are 3 people booked on the flight. The captain was very gracious and signed the form and welcomed me aboard. I always make an effort to thank the FO as well, but this FO was buried in his jepps with his huge DC headsets on. As I turn to leave the FO whips around and snatches the form from my hand! In awe, I turn around and myself and the captain are now staring at this guy with a look of shock. He tells me "You'd better not leave with MY copy of the jumpseat form." At this point both myself and the captain are looking at eachother going "WTF!?".

This FO then proceeds to flip open his FOM where he checks my airline against thier Reciprocal list. When he sees us there, he tells the captain "They're on there....I'm suprised...I didn't think we let freight guys ride."

As I'm about to just clock this kid across the face, he then CHECKS THE SCAB LIST. Then says "Ok, you're cool...go have a seat." The captain looks at me and says, "I'm sorry". As I turn and walk out he reaches out and closes the cockpit door to chew this guy out.

When we arrived in MYR, I was paying for parking and he came up to me and apoligized again, and told me the FO was a new-hire on probation from Comair Academy.

My other favorite is less involved. I was jumping on a Mesa E-145 from DTW-CLT and The FO turns to me and says "You fly freight? Man, why don't you get a real job flying passengers? That freight sh*t is a dead-end." I hope he enjoyed his 18,000 and 8 days off that month.
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Old 03-10-2007 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Holy Toledo
I've had a few....

Jumping on Comair from CVG-MYR, I get on and there are 3 people booked on the flight. The captain was very gracious and signed the form and welcomed me aboard. I always make an effort to thank the FO as well, but this FO was buried in his jepps with his huge DC headsets on. As I turn to leave the FO whips around and snatches the form from my hand! In awe, I turn around and myself and the captain are now staring at this guy with a look of shock. He tells me "You'd better not leave with MY copy of the jumpseat form." At this point both myself and the captain are looking at eachother going "WTF!?".

This FO then proceeds to flip open his FOM where he checks my airline against thier Reciprocal list. When he sees us there, he tells the captain "They're on there....I'm suprised...I didn't think we let freight guys ride."

As I'm about to just clock this kid across the face, he then CHECKS THE SCAB LIST. Then says "Ok, you're cool...go have a seat." The captain looks at me and says, "I'm sorry". As I turn and walk out he reaches out and closes the cockpit door to chew this guy out.

When we arrived in MYR, I was paying for parking and he came up to me and apoligized again, and told me the FO was a new-hire on probation from Comair Academy.

My other favorite is less involved. I was jumping on a Mesa E-145 from DTW-CLT and The FO turns to me and says "You fly freight? Man, why don't you get a real job flying passengers? That freight sh*t is a dead-end." I hope he enjoyed his 18,000 and 8 days off that month.
I used to have a lot of similar experiences commuting on a mainline carrier. The CA was always cool but the FO was always a little off. Post 9/11 when the only people allowed in the cockpit were the airlines people or the codeshare (express) carrriers was a fun time. I remember frequently asking the CA for a ride and CA saying no. I would always politely say, "sir, I work for express and have a K priority on my pass, any chance you could look in your FOM to be sure?" While the CA is looking in his book, the FO is popping off "We don't have anythiny like that, you can't ride up here." Meanwhile, the CA has found it and given the OK. Like it's the FO's call to decided who rides anyway.
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Old 03-10-2007 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Holy Toledo


My other favorite is less involved. I was jumping on a Mesa E-145 from DTW-CLT and The FO turns to me and says "You fly freight? Man, why don't you get a real job flying passengers? That freight sh*t is a dead-end." I hope he enjoyed his 18,000 and 8 days off that month.
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Old 03-10-2007 | 03:54 PM
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Another time standing in the -400 cockpit of UAL going from LAX-NRT (that was flight 897) I believe. As I was waiting for the captain to finish his paperwork I said hi to the IRO (bunkie) who actually appeared quite young for the -400 at UAL. He (the IRO) asked what I was flying. I said "The EMB-120", then he looked at me and said "is that even an airplane?". And no, he wasn't joking! The dude actually made it sound like I didn't deserve a ride since the Brasilia was such a small airplane.

Other experiences on UAL were pleasant. Just the 2 odd ones.
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Old 03-11-2007 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by N570UP
Are you serious? One's moral character will prevent him from becoming one (scab). Not a "lesson" by anyone.

You will have to come up with something better because your views on this one are off base.
The lesson here is that the fallout from being a scab is forever.
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Old 03-11-2007 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fireman0174
The lesson here is that the fallout from being a scab is forever.
No one really needs a lesson to understand that. If a person is determined to scab, no amount of "lessons" in the world will stop them.
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