But what about when almost the WHOLE MEC looks weak? The only council I am impressed with so far is SEA. I vote for the DPA with the SEA guys staying put. Everyone else looks like cows following the heard. "If LM says so, then we MOOOOOOO it....."

 

Did he get a time out? He really should...that's like the 5th or 6th TOS violation he's had for that.

Nu

 

Here's one for ya. I would have no issue if every committee chair position was an elected position. I lean towards the reps voting for these guys since they know the players a lot better, but could be convinced for a Member vote with enough positive facts.

I am for our Chairman and the other three admins being elected by the pilot group and the reps have the ability to recall. (Like our President) I am also for all pilots voting for National President. Committee Chairs should be an election by the BOD. If they need to replace one who steps down, in this day and age, they can doing it over the internet.

I am for every rep being on a specific drafting committee that is picked at random, but once selected that LEC Rep position stays on that committee. I want all the resolutions given to the committees by lottery or random number draw.

I am for the monthly posting of FPL broken out by LEC and Admin. It also needs to be pilot specific. Pilots under 24J as well as those on FPL should have their work spelled out. For example, Duty Pilot, Representations, LEC office work, Aiding the Strategic Planning Committee.

Every LEC should get 30 FPL 24 J days a month per 1,200 pilots. Did you know that C44 has had almost 200 representations since the current guys took office? They need more time of to prepare for these as well as Represent the pilots. It is easy to say that one should know that getting in the job, but this sort of thing ebbs and flows.

I am for some sort of Web based LEC meeting, but as I have stated the end user issues that legal is freaking out about need to be dealt with first. I would push that.

Heck I could go on. My point is there are a lot of things that I would like to happen, but one guy cannot do it alone. Heck five guys cannot do it alone, it takes a group effort. The changes are possible and they would lead to a transparency of process that is not just desired but needed in this day and age. We may arrive at the same conclusions as we do now, but at least the pilot group would not be left wondering what the heck is really going on with this constant engagement.

As for the C54 FO Rep, spot on, he one of the smartest guys in the room. The few times that I have talked to him about the issue we currently face, and the ones coming over the horizon, he has a significant grasp on them. Better yet, he wants his pilots input on how to proceed. You know there are more pilots like him in every base. You may be one of them, but you have to get involved, run for a seat if you want to have the effect he is having.

 

[QUOTE=sailingfun;1071200]Thats about 125k if every pilot chipped in...

 

Great ideas. I have flown with and seen more than one rep go into the job with great intentions only to be successfully manipulated by the power structure that is the Committee structure and MEC chair.

This is not truly a bottom up representation but has become very top down.

So, we all see the wisdom in your proposed changes.... but it is peeing into the wind my friend.

How well is the FPL resolution being handled by the MEC? These excuses of needing more time to figure out how to break out costs and accounting so that they can be "understood" by the average member is asinine.

If they are so against simply releasing this info, as it is already mandated that they will, how well do you think your proposed resolutions will be received? Don't get me wrong, your changes would be going along way to actually make it a bottom up organization. That is why it is peeing in the wind. They would be abdicating control to an extent that would be likely too unpalatble for them (comm./mec chair)

Remember, Delta butters their bread at 90+ month on the highest they can "hold" as well as $1,000.00+ a month in stipends. When you do the math, one can see why the resistance and fear.

So far we have only explored DALPA and haven't even scratched the surface of ALPA National. The issues and financial time bombs ready to explode there are mind boggling.

So, fix from within, or, go for control.alt.delete?

Crap. After hearing TO'M, just bring me the best outside law firm that hires a real investment bank to scour Delta's books. A group of motivated professionals and not emotionally beaten and financially compromised individuals. I believe DPA would do just that.

This is the make or break contract for our pilots.

 

acl65pilot translation: There's no more excusing DALPA, but the only excuse I have left is to advocate pilots changing ALPA from within while hoping nobody pays attention to how the LEC reps get ignored...as illustrated by the flight pay loss resolution that was IGNORED!

Carl
President Carl's Translation Services.

 

This is such a great post. It illustrates how much of our "problems" with the SWAPA contract are really just based on ignorance of what's in it. And DALPA wants nothing more than to continue the lies about the SWAPA contract.

So now acl65pilot...what say you regarding this? Now that the DC contributions are not an issue, what's the next excuse as to why you wouldn't want the SWAPA contract? ESPECIALLY given the fact that the NMB would have no leg to stand on if they tried to park us.

Carl

 

You KNOW better than that, yet you still spew this nonsense. What would really show that a recall effort matters, would be for the MEC to stop ignoring the lawful flight pay loss resolution that has been IGNORED by the MEC. That would show that LEC reps actually had some influence. But they have very little. And I know that you know this. I just can't figure out your motivations behind the constant duplicitous actions from you.

See the above.

See the above.

Carl

 

DALPA sees the DPA that way because they want to be able to blame somebody else for THEIR actions that have angered the pilot group...not divided it. And as is so often the case when an entrenched self-interested organization angers their members, these shameless actions actually serve to unite the pilot group...against their own union.

That's 100% correct. DALPA is already got the talking points ready to blame the DPA when we see the TA and are shocked with how bad it is.

That doesn't scare DALPA at all. They well know (as do you) that no amount of membership actions can root out the unelected power base within our MEC and within ALPA. But they would love you to spin your wheels trying...instead of trying to decertify them.

Carl

 

You keep forgetting that this is plenty of money for an organization like the DPA that doesn't spend wildly on buffets at the Ritz.

I appreciate your deep concern for the finances of the DPA, but you shouldn't worry your little head about it.

Carl