History of Airline Pilot Integration
08-19-2012, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
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#3 - Pilots are entirely logical when it comes to seniority - pilots want what's best for them. If merging with a lower longevity group, we want DOH, the only fair way to go. If we have low longevity, merging with a relative seniority is fair, obviously. If you bring no WB's to the merger, than slots are silly, and the opposite if you are the WB airline. If your company is more successful or pilots are better paid, than 'career expectations' need to be honored to be fair and equitable. To a airline in difficulty or one with lower compensation, what are the expectations of any pilot in the airline industry - furlough, CH 11, and, if you're lucky, retire still married to the same gal with some of your retirement left; the state of an airline's financials at one moment is irrelevant to seniority over a career, and it would be unfair and inequitable to take such matters into account.
#3 - Pilots are entirely logical when it comes to seniority - pilots want what's best for them. If merging with a lower longevity group, we want DOH, the only fair way to go. If we have low longevity, merging with a relative seniority is fair, obviously. If you bring no WB's to the merger, than slots are silly, and the opposite if you are the WB airline. If your company is more successful or pilots are better paid, than 'career expectations' need to be honored to be fair and equitable. To a airline in difficulty or one with lower compensation, what are the expectations of any pilot in the airline industry - furlough, CH 11, and, if you're lucky, retire still married to the same gal with some of your retirement left; the state of an airline's financials at one moment is irrelevant to seniority over a career, and it would be unfair and inequitable to take such matters into account.
08-19-2012, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
#2 - . . . we're all familiar with every detail. Lets not go down this path on this thread . . .
#3 - . . . making the decision that is best for you is much more complicated than simply going after whatever gets you the highest seniority number in an integration.
#3 - . . . making the decision that is best for you is much more complicated than simply going after whatever gets you the highest seniority number in an integration.
Originally Posted by cactiboss
You hit the nail on the head with this one.
08-22-2012, 05:49 AM
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I was hoping a few other airlines would join this thread. USAirways guys are just a little biased. I could go to ALPA, but I would assume their information would be tainted. After all ALPA was the "Fiduciary Guardian" of our fully funded pension, that was slowly raped by Stephen Wolf.
08-22-2012, 06:19 AM
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The recent history of seniority integration is to ducuss an SLI, fail to come to an agreement, turn it over to an arbitrator, then grumble about the results (but live with the arbitrator's decision).
Not much to discuss here. Each pilot group makes it's best case to the arbitrator, and hopes for the best.
Not much to discuss here. Each pilot group makes it's best case to the arbitrator, and hopes for the best.
08-22-2012, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
The recent history of seniority integration is to ducuss an SLI, fail to come to an agreement, turn it over to an arbitrator, then grumble about the results (but live with the arbitrator's decision).
Not much to discuss here. Each pilot group makes it's best case to the arbitrator, and hopes for the best.
Not much to discuss here. Each pilot group makes it's best case to the arbitrator, and hopes for the best.
But its not a merger if its not a merger.
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