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Old 11-17-2006, 06:33 AM   #11  
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someone should start a web site to boycott brazil...no tourism, no purchases, dont fly on emb jets, aa, dl,co pilots should refuse flying there too....may be next hostages
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Old 11-17-2006, 07:11 AM   #12  
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Everybody needs to show as many visible signs of displeasure over this situation as possible. Start by stealing my avatar. Better yet, print it out onto a sticker and make it visible publicly:

Example 1
Example 2

For those of you with a "wait and see" attitude (and you know who you are...) How long are you willing to wait? These pilots have been holed up in a hotel for 49 days since the accident.

Some folks I know have been in touch (almost daily) with Jan and Joe. From what we hear, these guys are essentially under house arrest in their hotel. They can't leave due to safety concerns, and have only had a handful of opportunities to actually get outside (on the hotel rooftop) in the past month.

Write your senators. Call your representatives. Send an email to the Sean Hannity or Jon Stewart or any of the other talking heads. Just do something!

If you're not familiar with what is going on down in Brazil (such as false accusations and fingerpointing), take a moment to read about it! Here are a few links:

http://www.joesharkey.com
Joe Sharkey is a reporter and freelance journalist. He was travelling on the Embraer Legacy that collided with the 737 as a passenger, while writing a story for an aviation journal. He has written his points of view on the experience as well as provides some background and other information as it has been reported by various sources.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111400032.html
An article from the Washington Post about the latest decision regarding not allowing the pilots to come home.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/...lane_Crash.php
An AP article that discusses how the involved ATC controllers have been placed on medical leave, and have yet to be interviewed about their actions on the day of the accident.
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Old 11-17-2006, 07:46 AM   #13  
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What a joke. An incompetent, under-trained Brazilian ATC controller clears 2 jets to fly at the same altitude, and they arrest the surviving pilots??? What kind of third-world, one-sided, half-assed investigation is this? Idiots. Instead of finding the probable cause of the accident, investigating the facts, and trying to prevent it from occuring again, the Brazilian authorities detain the pilots of one jet and turn this into an int'l political catharsis. What a bunch of morons.
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Old 11-17-2006, 07:56 AM   #14  
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It's time that we as pilots and as a country turn the heat up on this issue. US airlines pour a TON of money into Brazil in the form of aircraft orders
Good point. Pilots scheduled to fly to Brazil should call out sick in fear that the same can happen to them even for the most minor infraction.

Our white wine drinking spinless members of the State Department should get off their a$$es, take their balls out of their spouses pockets, and demand an immediate return of the pilots.
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Old 11-17-2006, 08:06 AM   #15  
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UNACCEPTABLE BRING THESE PILOTS HOME NOW!

IslandBrazilian officials: Crash investigation will take 10 more months

BY BILL BLEYER AND MARTIN C. EVANS
Newsday Staff Writers

November 16, 2006, 7:52 PM EST

In their first official statement on a Sept. 29 midair collision that killed 154 people, Brazilian officials issued a preliminary report Thursday that fell short of casting blame and said it will take another 10 months to complete the investigation.

"At this moment, any conclusion will be premature," Col. Rufino Antonio da Silva Ferreira, the Brazilian air force official in charge of the investigation, said at a news conference. He added that it is still not possible to say "that one thing caused the accident."



In the meantime, two Long Island pilots whose executive jet survived the impact remain in Brazil after a judge confiscated their passports to ensure their availability for questioning. This week, their attorneys appealed a federal judge's refusal to return the passports.

Under international air safety agreements, the preliminary investigation report is supposed to contain facts not subject to dispute. "The investigators did not blame anybody today," said a Defense Department spokesman, Maj. Adolfo Aleixo da Silva Jr.

The report says the Legacy jet owned by ExcelAire of Ronkonkoma and flown by Joseph Lepore, 42, of Bay Shore, and Jan Paladino, 34, of Westhampton Beach, did not follow its original flight plan, which was already known.

But the pilots said controllers revised the plans by instructing them to fly at 37,000 feet for the entire route. The flight plan had called for a descent to 36,000 and then an ascent to 38,000 before landing. International flight regulations say controller directives overrule flight plans filed before takeoff.

"The investigators are working to discover if the Legacy was supposed to descend or not," da Silva said.

The pilots' lead attorney, Robert Torricella, said controllers did not instruct the Legacy to change altitude once it reached 37,000 feet.

"Under Brazilian, American and international regulations, the flight plan that governs the conduct of a flight is not the written flight plan, but the flight plan cleared by air traffic control," he said.

The crash of Gol airlines Flight 1907 is Brazil's worst air disaster. Warning systems on both planes failed to alert pilots, Ferreira said.

It has been previously reported the transponder on the Legacy that gives the jet's location was not working before the impact.

Da Silva said the black box shows the pilots did not perform aerobatic maneuvers. That would contradict claims of an attorney for victims. "They were flying straight and level the whole time," he said.

Ferreira said neither crew saw the other plane coming. "No one saw anyone," he said. "No one tried evasive action." He said the left wings of the two aircraft struck each other. Then the Boeing nose-dived.

A pilots' federation called Thursday for the release of Lepore and Paladino. "Thus far, only contradictory facts, rumor and unsupported allegations have been forthcoming from Brazilian government officials," said the International Federation of Air Line Pilots' Associations.

There is a separate criminal investigation under way by the federal police.

This story was supplemented with an Associated Press report.
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All,

I will get this to the present APA leadership; but, except for LGA reps (who know Jan) this bunch is absolutely worthless as a pilot advocacy group. Unless AA management approves it, they ain't doing it...truly a cadre of robots.

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I have some more contact information for a "Good Guy" within CAPA and APA Security if you need it.. I can't seem to PM you and I won't put it out here.. Do you have an alternate contact?

EKBC

If your contact is the current CAPA President, Gary Boettcher, he ranks right up there with Duane Woerth as far as an effective pilot advocate. He is absolutely NOT to be considered a "Good Guy" ...just to clear that up.

I will get the info to the guys at AA who will actaully take some action--relying on the present APA or--especially-Boettcher is worse than ineffective...

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Old 11-17-2006, 10:02 AM   #17  
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I am now getting off my ass and writing my Reps!!! Thanks for the inspiration!!
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Old 11-17-2006, 10:04 AM   #18  
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does someone have a soccer ball, we can just ask them to trade.


im sorry, that was really wrong
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Old 11-17-2006, 10:17 AM   #19  
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Thanks for your assistace. I called all the Senators and Congressmen
office numbers listed above. It takes just a few minutes but if we could have many call it would certainally help bring maximun attention to the situation.


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I will get this to the present APA leadership; but, except for LGA reps (who know Jan) this bunch is absolutely worthless as a pilot advocacy group. Unless AA management approves it, they ain't doing it...truly a cadre of robots.

As for this:




If your contact is the current CAPA President, Gary Boettcher, he ranks right up there with Duane Woerth as far as an effective pilot advocate. He is absolutely NOT to be considered a "Good Guy" ...just to clear that up.

I will get the info to the guys at AA who will actaully take some action--relying on the present APA or--especially-Boettcher is worse than ineffective...

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Old 11-17-2006, 10:20 AM   #20  
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To email your local rep in the House:

http://www.house.gov/writerep/


Senate contact info:

http://www.house.gov/writerep/



I sure hope these guys get home for the holidays! God Bless Them.
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