Yup...his name is C.S.

I know what the problems are. You and I just disagree on the solution. I prefer to not jump from the frying pan into the fire. But hey, some people need to actually experience their mistakes to learn anything. I'll be happy to tell you "I told you so" a year after ALPA gets voted in.

If we vote ALPA in, it will take at least 2 contracts to get back to where we are right now. It isn't an instant fix. Plus, I figure we've got enough politics, so why add another political group?

So you can give me crap about being junior, but my vote will still cancel yours out. :)

I see your point. I think you are wrong in the two contract assumption. Check out any of the historical examples of ALPA or union represented pilot groups. The ALPA represented group historical came out better in their first contract in comparison to their pre-union deal. Spirit and most likely Allegant (IBT still in negotiations ) are the most recent examples of this. The bottom line is protections, our PEA's provides us almost nothing- little to no scope protection, no health care protections(as proven by this years gutting of our below average plan we had last year), no retirement protections, no merger protection. The best part is if a group of us have a realistic grievance about a violation of our PEA we get to individually fight it. I don't know about you but I can't afford the legal team that the company can however ALPA/IBT can. I really want this to be my last airline I don't see how that is possible without a CBA.

The FSM is violated on a daily many many times.

Healthcare is NEVER going to cost less than it does now. This is a reality of the post apocalyptic 2008 Econmic Disaster world we live in. Site anyone's contract it's futile. ALL corporations will emulate rewards programs that pass costs to the employee. You have to go into an ALPA vote knowing this. A big reality of the great jetblue healthcare rollout was the threat of contracts from labor unions. (PILOTS, FA's & MECH) A CBA will prevent that from happening again, but won't turn back the clock.

I'm more pi$$ed that 3A is now a bargaining chip in terms of the industry standard wage raise I was essentially promised by management before they lost 3A. 3A has nothing to do with me or the double digit raise that was discussed last Spring. Now, they're going to bone me on a raise because of the legal team's massive blunder. That should make junior guys angry.

-Bubs

Agreed on the health care issue, my point is that without a CBA the company can and will change any of our benefits/retirement/scope/ merger protections in a moments notice. We only have one bargaining chip, if you want to call it that. Luckily without a PEA amendment none of us are legally protected to fly the 321. Anyone who flies the 321 without it in your PEA would be held liable if anything were to happen on board the aircraft. "Essentially someone could stub their toe on your aircraft and you would be liable." from my legal council. I for one won't sign a PEA amendment without that double didget pay increase that they have been dangling for a year plus now.

Welcome to suck. The process is whatever they want it to be. It always will be under the DR.

Comical and sad. The very people you defend have stated quite clearly your job protection is not a concern of theirs. Example the 5 documents.

The very people you despise and refuse to support are the only ones who will fight to protect your job and career.

In the end it will be sad for all of us but most difficult for the junior pilots.

You are a broken record. Those that'll vote for it will already. You've probably got the majority of votes this time so why not drop it

Right, you turned down UAL with 400+ retirement annually for 10 years and then 700+ , 100K + second year pay on the smallest a/c, and 16% retirement plan with out BS, not mentioning healthcare coverage.
jetBlue was great, but can't compete with new 3 legacy players anymore, or in compensation for pilots.
Since November, I have moved 5% in seniority within 10K pilot group. The latest UA bid for SFO shows additional 200+ vacancies no filled from system 14-2.
In two years of jetBlue experience on A320 I wasn't moving at all. The movement in jetBlue will be at the bottom 20%, after the rest of the DAL and AA guys go back. The average age of pilots in jetBlue is 42, if you the bottom guy, even if the company doubles in size, you will be stuck for 20 years as a junior CA.
Ask yourself, if JB is such a great place to be, why senior CA bailing out back to DAL?
This is business, noting personal, the moment JB encounters some rough waters, you'll see what direct relationship means, and then your truly yours Managment will bail, after selling you out.