Delta Representation Discussion
09-08-2013 | 11:57 AM
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Really? Then why, despite working for an extremely profitable company, is their top pay today still about $50/hr LESS than the Delta pilots negotiated 9 years ago? They have YET to get within 20% of where we were almost a decade ago. Yeah, that's really industry leading...
09-08-2013 | 12:11 PM
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Delta pilots using the democratic and legal process to change unions is not "damaging." It's democracy. It would be no more damaging if ALPA loyalists used the democratic process to reinstall ALPA after a DPA win.
Not damage...Democracy. I'm not afraid of it...I love it.
Carl
Not damage...Democracy. I'm not afraid of it...I love it.
Carl
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. DALPA and DPA are too sides of the same coin. Both want to be in charge and think that they know what's best for us. If you disagree with the message, from either side, then the loyalists either attack you, ridicule you, or evade any real dialogue by engaging in condescending responses. I am tired of the same old rhetoric from ALPA, but as equally put off by the tone from DPA supporters. Frankly, is there an option C?
09-08-2013 | 12:19 PM
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Really? Then why, despite working for an extremely profitable company, is their top pay today still about $50/hr LESS than the Delta pilots negotiated 9 years ago? They have YET to get within 20% of where we were almost a decade ago. Yeah, that's really industry leading...
09-08-2013 | 01:06 PM
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That's the crux of this argument: some are willing to take the risk while others are not. Is it OK or fair to impose one's willingness to accept risk on those unwilling? What about the responsibility of accepting that risk?
IOW, if I don't accept the risk, but have it imposed on me and things so south, what recourse do I have against those who dragged me along against my will?
IOW, if I don't accept the risk, but have it imposed on me and things so south, what recourse do I have against those who dragged me along against my will?
Just look at Continental. ALPA more than willing took them back, along with scabs and the $.
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09-08-2013 | 02:13 PM
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You're right, I see that now. I talked about two incidents recently done by ALPA people...not DPA, ALPA. I think we can all agree that the incidents were pretty low blow type politics. In response to my examples, you said this:
Your response gave no opinion or judgment on what the ALPA folks did. Rather, your response was a question on whether DPA would be immune from doing something similar. The answer of course is no, they are not immune from doing something like that. I don't even know how one would acquire immunity from an action they've never done yet. You can only go by what's actually been done so far. Which is why I answered your question this way:
I hope this more directly and fully answers your question.
Carl
Your response gave no opinion or judgment on what the ALPA folks did. Rather, your response was a question on whether DPA would be immune from doing something similar. The answer of course is no, they are not immune from doing something like that. I don't even know how one would acquire immunity from an action they've never done yet. You can only go by what's actually been done so far. Which is why I answered your question this way:
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09-08-2013 | 02:23 PM
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Wow, what a leap of logic. So a brand new entity with no track record and no legal responsibility has never treated you bad? It's not surprising that a union that's been around since 1931 has had it's fair share of mistakes. With that logic I should be on my 50th wife cause the new flight attendant I just flew with never made me sleep on the couch........
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09-08-2013 | 02:27 PM
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That was the concern on the UsAirways pilots' part, and why they felt they had to remove that as a possibility by removing ALPA.
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09-08-2013 | 02:31 PM
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Carl, you've been around way too long to make false statements like that. IPA and SWAPA have NEVER set any standard for industry leading contracts. In fact, neither has ever signed an industry leading contract. They signed mediocre contracts, that only looked good, when the rest of us took three steps backwards.
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09-08-2013 | 03:34 PM
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