Quick Benzobait is predicting we will gain 40 aircraft in the next 5 years and then in 2018 we will give ALL of our jets away. Logic. Not so much.

Back to the attrition. The same reason and logic that says the top 1,000 will not leave jetblue is the same logic that the top 6,000 won't leave Delta. With the possibility that there could be an age 70 waiver at some point you can logically expect to be a 717 co-pilot for your career at Delta. (That's a little dramatic) The opportunity for flying larger aircraft and upgrading to Captain within 4-5 years is a reality at JetBlue. Growth into new markets with new products is exciting and will bring new customers. You have to stick around to see what happens.

 

I wasn't aware I said that. Read the orders then come back.

You truly are not bright. 6000 pilots won't leave Delta because Delta pays more or the same as any other legacy. 1000 could leave Jetblue because they can make more at Delta.

But hey, with your logic, shinny new jets and exciting new products are a great reason to stick around.
What a tool.

 

"a little dramatic?"....Really guy?

Try one of the most ridiculous, mathematecially non-sensical things you've ever posted. Nevermind the fact that a raise in the retirement age would have no affect on where you end up at the end, because it applies to everyone. You know that retirement numbers are quite easy to look-up and compare, right?

Like I said before, route for your home team as much as you like, but be factual in your claims and don't pull stuff outta your keister.

 

Thats what Jetblue told him and Jetblue management wouldn't lie to him.
Dont argue with him. He is right and jebtlue management said so.

 

I'm not sure if that is what he is saying, but probably is. Still not sure how adding 35 and deferring 24 is equal... Even if he is minimizing a net 11 aircraft, he is still wrong. Everyone at JB, and even APC airline profile pages dated back at least to July know we were not expanding our E90 Fleet beyond 60. So we ALL knew we were not taking more E90s than 60 anyway, so this is a net increase of 35 A321s.

However, I am still disappointed in the order. JB has been spreading the rumors of 20 airbusses for 2014 and 20 more for 2015.... also spreading new hires for next year of up to 400+. Standard JB exaggerations. This place ALWAYS over sells and under-delivers on its growth and hiring. New hires be warned. Take their growth and hiring numbers and divide by 2.

 

But if we don't tell you AWSOME things, you might leave for one of those failed model, unsustainable, legacy type airlines... You have to understand, even though you have to sacrifice to work at jetblue... It's AWSOME!

Ask p3... It's AWSOME I tell you!

 

Through 2019 its a net gain. We are getting new planes but not different from previous orders. The airline also converted aircraft so the net game is zero.

2014 (-1)Fleet Plan.
2015 (-5)Fleet Plan.
2016 (-3)Fleet Plan.
2017 +2 Fleet Plan.
2018 +2 Fleet Plan.
2019 +5 Fleet Plan.
2020 +15 Fleet Plan.
2021 +13 Fleet Plan.
2022 +7 Fleet Plan.

Getting rid of 190's is great for the financial health of this airline. While the aircraft approaches a similar reliability to the 320 it does so at an incredible increase in maintenance cost. On the flip side the 321 improves CASM, for Jetblue, but it may also reduce frequency which can affect future hiring.

The growth, in terms of airframes, is not exactly what jetblue claims. We are still getting, roughly, the same amount of aircraft just different types. I'm not suggesting this is good or bad because right now we just don't know. For the second time in jet blue's history growth may come from attrition instead of growth. We will see.

As with all jetblue provided information there is alway another side to the story.

 

So just for clarity, you are saying that we will end 2014 with one less aircraft in the fleet than we start the year. Got it. Shrinking fleet for the next 3 years. Got it.

 

You are reading that chart wrong. The chart shows a change in order from the previous order book not the actually fleet plan.

They would never actually tell us how many they are sending back but as it stands now we are set to take 9 a/c next year. That is down 1 from the previous order book that's why it shows -1.

But again they never say how many they plan to return.


Is this the worst place to work? No.

Could it be way better. Yes.

Do we need a union? Yes.

Does it have to be hostile? No. That's up to the company and who you elect to union positions.

Do I hope JetBlue stays JetBlue for 50 years and I retire wearing A ridiculous blue shirt? Yes.(I would retire in the top 10)

Is that a likely scenario base on the industry's history? No.

Do you think the company would honestly represent us in a merger? Of course not! They will peruse what is best for the merger and that is a quick integration with no fighting! Remember this would go both ways even if we were the acquirer. Currently we can't even force an integration. Whip saw?

 

[QUOTE=RiddleEagle18;1510929]You are reading that chart wrong. The chart shows a change in order from the previous order book not the actually fleet plan.
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This!