My bad if not you.... but the message is the same.....

Fiig

 

Absolutely, not in favor of cabotage. I'm fore square on the side of US labor and the hard earned rights that we enjoy. I am union front and center and want to protect our flying, whether its your company or mine doing it. That said, I'm not blind to the quality issues that so separate US carriers from the best world standard. I believe most Americans want to support the home team, but you got to provide a product worth supporting. Come within 80% of offering what Emirates provides as a service and this threat is a moot argument. At this point not even close.

Yes I agree the Delta product is probably the best of a mediocre bunch. My most recent opportunity to see your international product was thwarted by your airlines code share with AF. I got to see how well they did instead of you. You really don't have much of a bar to clear to better the home grown competition. The problem is this is a global industry and you need to compare better to the best of that. At this time you still have a lot of work to do.

 

Look you guys do a good job, hence the threat that is driving the majority of this thread. That said, you work for a non union company, in a country that by law outlaws unionization. You have no rights as an employee, you are, in the very real sense, "at will". You have a PBS bidding system, not unlike most US airlines. If your getting what you want out of it, good for you. I understand the 777 has some of the better flying while the 330, not so much. What rights do you have to bid from one aircraft to another? Tell us about your companies fatigue policy, or do you guys never get tired on a trip?

Your children are very likely getting an experience unlike any they could anywhere else. The UAE is, comparatively speaking, an oasis of enlightenment, compared to most of its neighbors. Pilots are treated relatively well, compared to the other "guest" workers in the Kingdom. But at the end of the day you come home to a desert, a nice one with beautiful malls and man made islands. No matter how well your treated it still plus 40C when the sun is at high noon in the summer. How easy is it to commute into a trip if you don't live in DXB?

 

Carl your fairytale lacks facts, may I suggest you spice it up a bit with talk of grassy knolls, the umbrella man and other such unverified figures.

Just make it up as you go along and try to select a few more scapegoats to load on the train for the reeducation camps.

Looks like we are all going to get reeducated anyway, the voodoo that has protected you up until now is failing and you can't seem to understand why.

Political whims can't change public perception of a product or the laws of economics. It is like trying to change the laws of physics with some black magic.

 

Here's my post again below:

Where did I say Dubai versus Abu Dhabi or EK versus another airline?

Carl

 

This is a common thread drift/deflection. If you want to start a thread on US airline sucking, then do so. THIS thread is about Boeing's political financing and arm twisting of our politicians to give our markets to the airlines that will buy most of Boeing's aircraft.

This has nothing to do with service. This is about airlines like EK that do not have the population base to grow as big as they want. This is about those airlines that want to go after the markets of other countries.

Carl

 

Here:

Both defending and making excuses for him.

Carl

 

Promises to arm twist and influence peddle the White House and Congress are rarely written into contracts as you keep pleading to be shown. Boeing is indeed heavily lobbying the Congress to ease up on our restrictions to foreign ownership and entrants into our markets. And we've all read what the Sheik said would happen to those Boeing aircraft orders if they don't get access to the US market. Strange how the Sheik didn't have the same threat regarding his Airbus orders...don't you think?

Carl

 

Carl,

I believe the "hardball" being played by Boeing and emirates, politically, in the US, has already been played in Europe via Airbus and military plane orders and to some degree in Canada a year or two ago which is ongoing. I don't recall the details or outcomes off the top of my head, but I do remember reading about both.

The point that most are missing is that emirates (which some say is not state sponsored) receives more than substantial UAE government (treaty level) backing. Whether or not they receive financial backing, they definitely receive government "sponsorship."

 

You couldn't be more wrong here. The threat has absolutely nothing to do with a service differential. Nothing. If US airlines had the best service in the industry, it still wouldn't stop the wealthy state sponsored Middle East airlines from wanting access into the US market. These airlines don't have the population base to justify growth, so they have to start pirating other national markets. EK has found a market whose political leaders are always for sale, and they're using Boeing as their perfect middle man for influence peddling.

Again, nothing to do with service differential. It's all about access to markets and growth that would be unattainable in your home country.

Carl