Boeing: The US pilot's enemy
11-23-2013 | 09:14 AM
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Read the thread.
Carl
11-24-2013 | 06:23 PM
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Absolutely, not in favor of cabotage. I'm fore square on the side of US labor and the hard earned rights that we enjoy. I am union front and center and want to protect our flying, whether its your company or mine doing it. That said, I'm not blind to the quality issues that so separate US carriers from the best world standard. I believe most Americans want to support the home team, but you got to provide a product worth supporting. Come within 80% of offering what Emirates provides as a service and this threat is a moot argument. At this point not even close.
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11-24-2013 | 08:10 PM
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Your managers are alienating a large portion of your future support and sowing deep resentment.
11-24-2013 | 08:31 PM
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"My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this other guy who knows this guy's boss who works for Boeing offer favors at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious."
11-24-2013 | 11:58 PM
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If you have a problem with Emirates and Etihad taking over the world with their horrible $250K/yr salaries and their 42 days of vacation/yr and atrocious non-rev to 90 countries worldwide and their dismal lie-flat seating and their 16 days off a month...
Wait what? Bring on the Emirates JFK base!!!!!
Wait what? Bring on the Emirates JFK base!!!!!
11-25-2013 | 02:17 AM
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Ghilis…..
16 days off a month? Not even possible at Emirates as we have a max 15 days off per month… oh and 7 day max in a row! Company has said only working 9-12 days off a month as in a 777 line at a legacy carrier is akin to "stealing from the company"!! Wow…. Oh, and this month I have over 91 hours hard flying and only 8 days off!
Just an fyi for everyone.
Maybe the productivity here is a tad more than most US carriers?
K
16 days off a month? Not even possible at Emirates as we have a max 15 days off per month… oh and 7 day max in a row! Company has said only working 9-12 days off a month as in a 777 line at a legacy carrier is akin to "stealing from the company"!! Wow…. Oh, and this month I have over 91 hours hard flying and only 8 days off!
Just an fyi for everyone.
Maybe the productivity here is a tad more than most US carriers?
K
11-25-2013 | 02:34 AM
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Ghilis…..
16 days off a month? Not even possible at Emirates as we have a max 15 days off per month… oh and 7 day max in a row! Company has said only working 9-12 days off a month as in a 777 line at a legacy carrier is akin to "stealing from the company"!! Wow…. Oh, and this month I have over 91 hours hard flying and only 8 days off!
Just an fyi for everyone.
Maybe the productivity here is a tad more than most US carriers?
K
16 days off a month? Not even possible at Emirates as we have a max 15 days off per month… oh and 7 day max in a row! Company has said only working 9-12 days off a month as in a 777 line at a legacy carrier is akin to "stealing from the company"!! Wow…. Oh, and this month I have over 91 hours hard flying and only 8 days off!
Just an fyi for everyone.
Maybe the productivity here is a tad more than most US carriers?
K
11-25-2013 | 02:57 AM
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Will I leave EK? A lot of us have on "Golden Handcuffs" here. Although I could leave, I do enjoy the flying quite a bit… and my sh*t bucket hasn't quite reached the full level yet, but it is rapidly approaching that limit!!
At EK, we fly the equivalent of an LAX-BOS turn…. all nighter… 2 man crew. What makes it legal I guess is that we can take a 40 minute snooze as per SOP's. Still a tough one any way you look at it.
I'd say if EK had to follow most Legacy contracts in the US, we'd have at least several hundred more pilots on the list to cover the scenario I just told you about… and we have at least several of these each day AND night!
K
At EK, we fly the equivalent of an LAX-BOS turn…. all nighter… 2 man crew. What makes it legal I guess is that we can take a 40 minute snooze as per SOP's. Still a tough one any way you look at it.
I'd say if EK had to follow most Legacy contracts in the US, we'd have at least several hundred more pilots on the list to cover the scenario I just told you about… and we have at least several of these each day AND night!
K
11-25-2013 | 03:01 AM
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My congressman, my two senators and my personal friends who are congressional staffers ALL tell me they are being heavily lobbied by Boeing to support Boeing manufacturing jobs and ease up on both foreign ownership rules and cabotage. Sheik [whats his name] is quoted as saying Boeing can take their airplanes back if they don't get their access to the US markets. That shows me Boeing's complicity in political influence peddling and aircraft orders contingent upon changing US laws. This is as close as we'll probably ever get because parties don't normally write influence peddling contingencies into contracts. Those kind of understandings are verbal. The Sheik just verbally reminded Boeing of it just the other day.
People like you would probably not believe it with a videotape of the conversation, so stop the charade that evidence doesn't meet your standard. Your bread is being buttered somehow by this stuff staying concealed. My bread is buttered by shining light on this and hoping US law remains the same. We'll see who wins.
Carl
People like you would probably not believe it with a videotape of the conversation, so stop the charade that evidence doesn't meet your standard. Your bread is being buttered somehow by this stuff staying concealed. My bread is buttered by shining light on this and hoping US law remains the same. We'll see who wins.
Carl
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11-25-2013 | 08:21 PM
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No no, I've read through this entire thread twice and at no point have you posted anything to substantiate your assertions about Boeing other than your Congressman and two Senators, along with their respective staffers, have ALL told you (because you are so important that you can command time with Congressmen and multiple Senators) personally that Boeing is granting ME airlines (aka EK) rights to US routes for aircraft orders. You sir are full of it.
"My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this other guy who knows this guy's boss who works for Boeing offer favors at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious."
"My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this other guy who knows this guy's boss who works for Boeing offer favors at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious."
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