Yikes what a run-on sentence. See if you can take a class in sentence structure. I've already posted my five time limit on how I came to my conclusion. A sixth time won't make you read or comprehend any better. I couldn't possibly care less about what you believe or think of me.

It's really amazing how the sandbox pilots and guys like you come out in full force whenever someone suggests fighting you back. We're going to fight you back on all fronts. Boeing's role in this is fair game.

Carl

 

The Sheik said the same thing about the Boeing order. He said it about Airbus and Boeing.

But thank you at least for staying on topic. The thread drift from sandbox pilots has been amazing.

Carl

 

Well then that would pretty much make it an empty threat, would it not??? Who would he buy airplanes from??? Admittedly I dont know everything about this business, but Boeing and Airbus sell airplanes. They dont have the power to grant access to their respective countries via route authorities. The CEO of Qatar Airways was also quoted as saying he was point blank "not interested in the 777X" and then he ordered a bunch recently at the Dubai Air Show. He later admitted his previous comments were designed to throw off the media. Your current CEO many moons ago said he was not returning to the airline industry to orchestrate a merger between DL and NW. He also said all hubs would remain after the merger. Hmmmm... Fear not Carl, the sky isn't falling.

 

Usually the tactic used by those who have no proof of a posted opinion. Attack sentence structure, grammar, spelling, etc. Weak sauce.

I'm not a sandbox pilot or a Boeing pilot. I'm just simply pointing out that you are trying to pass off your opinion as fact. You have been provided ample opportunity to back up your opinion with ANY kind of facts, but you cannot.

I know, I know, your self-imposed 5 time limit won't allow another amateurish retort so I bid good day.

 

If this is the case - that ME airlines want to operate inside the USA, yet run their own rules regarding crew rest and other critical safety items - there is no freaking way that should be allowed to happen.

Enjoy the $$ guys. I decided decades ago that family time, and leisure with loved ones, infinitely outweighs more digits in a bank account.

But to each his own.

 

Still looking for the link, but the "if you don't let us, you can take back your airplane" chorus is growing among several airlines who's taste for shiny new jets overwhelmed market capacity realities.

Notwithstanding this current overt threat, the Middle East has been remarkably adept at lobbying the United States. After all, in what other region of the World have Dynastic Rulers persuaded the United States to overthrow Democratically elected leaders* primarily to shore up an oil cartel who's interests oppose that of the United States? Oh, and we did that right after 15 of the 19 September 11th Hijackers were nationals of the Country who's interest we went to war for. One of the others was a UAE National.

Guess how many were from Iraq?

It is an unfortunate commentary that in a land where bribes & inducements get things done, Arab nationals understand the United States better than those of us with Undergraduate Degrees in political science.

* (admittedly a hugely corrupt election, but that was a domestic problem, for their people)

 

One hundred and forty post and still no smoking gun on Boeing colluding to provide some help so Emirates or any another foreign airline can be get improper access to US routes. Presumably the recent 5th freedom rights that Emirates sought and received to operate MXP-JFK are a major part driving this paranoia. That "right" was granted by the Italians for reasons that only they can answer, as it appears their home carrier is the most likely to be (adversely) affected. No Italian bashing here, as best as I can discern, maybe we need to look elsewhere for our villains?

Even if we assume Carl's right that Boeing is promising access to US (domestic?) or Emirates is threatening cancellations of jet orders unless they get increase access, they still have to win the business from US consumers. Unless US laws are changed, I don't see cabotage as a real threat to US airlines. Direct service between the US and DXB or another UAE port is reality and any US air carrier can certainly compete directly with EK on those routes. As best as I can tell, two US airlines fly two routes to DXB, one with some sort of connection to Doha. Emirates is flying to 8 US cities, competing with United on the IAD-DXB route. Due to the location of these Middle Eastern Hubs, very little US international traffic is directly at risk is US to India traffic. Not without consequence but still small potatoes. I think the Indian carriers have more at risk than any US airline.

Is the MXP-JFK 5th freedom what's creating the heartburn? As a poster way back early, pointed out, just compete with them, do as good or better job providing a service the customers with pay for and EK will be no threat.

There are issues with Emirates that warrant scrutiny, but intrigue with Boeing is a red herring. Look at their duty days, pilot pushing, non union (UAE) laws. Consider cost advantages and secret deals on fuel pricing, landing fees and handling costs. Maybe here you can fault the un level paying field that the ALPA white paper alludes to.

Until Carl or anyone else can show collusion between Boeing and EK, its just slander without good cause. Some aide to some congressmen trash talk is not proof of anything.

 

Boeing and EADS spent $125,000,000.00 to win the Air Force Tanker project. How far you think they're willing to go for $150,000,000,000.00 + order?

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Perhaps the OP titled this thread poorly. Boeing is not any pilot's "enemy." But, Boeing is a very powerful defense contractor with an older and dying book of McDonnell Douglas legacy defense products (C17, F15 and Space products being threatened by upstarts for 70% discounts). Boeing has to get efficient and produce jets ( a task it struggles with under Douglas management ). Boeing is no longer Boeing, it is Douglas. The same Douglas who sold MD90 tooling to China to get it started as an aerospace competitor and who cheaped it's own way right into near bankruptcy. Boeing isn't loyal and it's lost it's long standing corporate compass. It is a Corporate version of a very hungry animal.

Considering Boeing's considerable war chest and expertise in lobbying, it is no great leap to figure out how they are going to be twisting politicians' ears on this one.

 

The Sheik found out it was an empty threat with regard to Airbus because he found out that not even Airbus can change the European legislators desire to maintain "Fortress Europe." It's not at all an empty threat regarding US politicians because ours are for sale. And yes I understand that it is the American people's fault for tolerating it.

Easy. He'll buy airplanes from Airbus to keep Boeing honest. He'll buy airplanes from Boeing depending upon how well Boeing does his political lobbying to get him his access to the world's largest air transport market.

Of course not. Kingdoms generally aren't interested in people trying to bribe them. Thus Kingdoms decide their own route authorities...the kingdom's airlines listen.

All good points, and that's why it's important to see if the talk matches the walk. In this case, the dots connect perfectly from what I see. The Sheik makes a threat. Boeing is heavily lobbying Congress and White House. US pilot unions ALL state that foreign ownership and cabotage is their biggest pushback from Congress right now.

Carl

 

Five post rule applies. Read the thread.

Regarding your Darwinistic theory of competition, do you fly for UPS? If you do, I suspect you'd suddenly reject Darwinism if the state sponsored sandbox airlines started getting into the US package delivery business.

Carl