Can't come up with a logical fact based reply so you resort to the time honored tactic of character assassination, nice .


TP

 

Without passing comment as to whether Emirates is buying influence with the US government; I think the basic issue with the Middle Eastern threat is ultimately related to the service, or more accurately, the lack there of, of the American air carriers. A head to head comparison of US air carriers cabin service specifically and the total service experience in general with the Middle East airlines is a no contest. Most US carriers can't compete with the European carriers on a cabin for cabin basis, and they can't compete with Emirates.
Look I have a vested intertest in the health and well being of US owned and crewed airlines. I think most of the (American) flying public traveling to and from domestic or international destinations wishes to support the home team. But here's the problem, the home product SUCKS. Not universally, and not all the time, just most of it.

You guys sitting up front either don't see it, have closed your eyes to it, or just try to wish it way/ believe it isn't so. I've ridden in business on most US airlines. Its embarrassing what's considered "service" on many flights. The international traveler is paying a small fortune to fly in the front of the jet, they deserve way better than they are getting. Emirates, for all the faults (and I agree, their treatment of labor is not up to western standards) gives the paying customer what they believe they should be getting. Its not all fault of the personnel. Airline management controls the product; they have failed to train, discipline, and provide the resources needed to compete with the competition. Protectionism may help, but its a band aid to the problem. Ultimately your airlines are going to have to match the competition, the consumer will have the final say, just as we all would expect it should in a free market system.

 

Whatever that Sheik said in some interview doesn't mean squat if it isn't in the contract. Again Carl, prove that it's in the contract. Not reaching any level like you are. Who said I'm defending this Sheik? Again, Conspiracy Theory on your part. And why don't you give to PAC?

 

This is exactly what you said and advocate:




Again, we just need to be clear that you, an American I assume, would like to lead a campaign to intentionally hurt other Americans ( Boeing employees and all of their U.S. based supply chain affiliates ). This all based on an assumption and when asked to provide facts are unable to do so.




Typhoonpilot

 

As I've said TP, your bread is being buttered by these Middle East state run airlines. We get that. You have to defend your career. But don't pretend you're interested in facts or evidence because you'll just refuse to admit it. It's a waste of time.

Fire away, but you're not credible or unbiased.

Carl

 

But that IS the topic of THIS thread. If you want to start a thread bashing US airlines, then do so. But please keep this one on topic.

Carl

 

and then we have Carl, Mr "Credible & Unbiased"

 

You DO understand that bribery, and political influence peddling is rarely in a contract...right?

You are expressly defending the Sheik. Or are you being taken out of context.

Because the ALPA PAC strongly backs politicians like Barak Obama who is strongly behind this effort by Emirates as well as transforming our nation into a left-wing utopia. I don't believe in funding that.

Carl

 

Ah, so you refuse to provide facts or evidence based on an assumption that logical fact based arguments will not get me, or others reading this, to change our position.

For what it's worth I actually agree with a lot of the points in the ALPA white paper. You may not have read it because it is way more than 8000 words.

You also assume that I will continue to work for Emirates for a long time, i.e. the rest of my career. So when I am no longer at Emirates, and quite possibly have the same independent thought that I have today, how will you be able to use character assassination to refute my points?



TP

 

First of all, you're not interested in being clear. You're only into desperately defending YOUR job and purposely distorting. Second, a successful campaign would not immediately hurt American Boeing workers because Boeing has a backlog of over a decade. A campaign like this would definitely shrink that backlog...and Boeing's stock price.

As you well know, bribery and political influence buying is generally not documented in the light of day. You have to look at trajectory, results...and quotes from Sheiks. You'd refuse to believe it if it was on videotape because your job depends on the Sheik continuing to employ infidels.

Carl