SWA AAI continued
05-19-2015 | 09:57 AM
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I looked at a list later and did the numbers about your statement of the AirTran pilots being so young. What did you consider young?
I posted that information showing the average age of the first 300 Captains. Do not buy your opinion about that. The first 100 had an average age of 56 , DOH from Sept.1993 thru Feb 97 and you put them with SWA pilots who were hired in 1999 and were at 30.31 % to 38.4 %. And that is because they were so young?
05-19-2015 | 04:02 PM
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I understand it. My post stated I did not understand your take of it with age being the factor.
I looked at a list later and did the numbers about your statement of the AirTran pilots being so young. What did you consider young?
I posted that information showing the average age of the first 300 Captains. Do not buy your opinion about that. The first 100 had an average age of 56 , DOH from Sept.1993 thru Feb 97 and you put them with SWA pilots who were hired in 1999 and were at 30.31 % to 38.4 %. And that is because they were so young?
I looked at a list later and did the numbers about your statement of the AirTran pilots being so young. What did you consider young?
I posted that information showing the average age of the first 300 Captains. Do not buy your opinion about that. The first 100 had an average age of 56 , DOH from Sept.1993 thru Feb 97 and you put them with SWA pilots who were hired in 1999 and were at 30.31 % to 38.4 %. And that is because they were so young?
It doesn't matter what I consider young, the only factor is that the AirTran group was younger than the SWA group!
You are saying that the average age of the first 100 was 56 years old (which I don't believe) and then you state they were put next to SWA pilots hired in 1999! It has no bearing that they were put next to SWA pilots hired in 1999. No matter where they were placed on the list, their average age was much younger than those that were original SW pilots.
If the average age of the pilots above you on the list was originally 50 years old and then you add in 1000 pilots ALL AT RELATIVE SENIORITY and their average age is 45 you have just lost seniority due to the newly inserted pilots retiring at later mandatory retirement dates.
This is not a difficult concept, especially for someone that has been in this business for a long time.
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05-20-2015 | 04:41 AM
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What is your deal. Now your beginning to show your true self - just like several other SW pilots on the threads.
A SW pilot makes a statement - just words or opinions. Several of us go actually check it out. It is false. I state the fact and back it up with the information and the source.
You then just say you don't believe it. For instance, I talk about the threats. You say they were not true. I state where they came from and you still say that is FALSE. I go further with the DATE of the CALL. How long it was, how many participated and specific Questions and ANSWERS and you change your tune. You don't focus on the facts , instead you go into your tirade about how that call was private, how did I become privy to it, etc..... You just deny and don't answer. Before, I was making stuff up. Then, your memory came ?
Some other SW guy spouts off about the number one F/O in PHX , former AirTran , not going to upgrade, etc.....Some guys log on and check the F/O list in PHX. BS. They verified the first 20 and stopped. ALL original WN. Then he said what - that is what he had heard someone say? Oh, ok. Some other guy comes along and all he has to contribute is insults and tries to guess my actual identity - followed by more insults. Nothing to contribute except to show his maturity level. A SW guy talks about holding up his lighter for the guy. LOL. Great display of judgment.
You spout off about age being a factor of Relative Seniority. Must be a SW pilot thing coined for just them (is that a little like the Triple Crown Award)? Guys pull the Snapshot list of AirTran. Took 50 at a time beginning with the number 1 guy and did the first 300. I wrote what the results were of their actual age and then compared the AGES and DOH of 1. Who they were placed behind and 2. What the average age of the groups they were put between. Another BS statement made by SW pilots that was proven to be false.
And all you can do is say, no - I don't believe that. You act like a politician. Are you one of their union leaders?
You have no credibility anymore. Again, all you seem to do is hold the line of pride and deny/deflect. Is it you just don't want to really know what your group and airline actually did again to fellow aviators in your profession. You should just watch and learn from some of the others on these threads and see how it is done with factual information - not opinion to just keep the same old tired false statements going.
If you want to make more false statements, feel free.
Good day.
A SW pilot makes a statement - just words or opinions. Several of us go actually check it out. It is false. I state the fact and back it up with the information and the source.
You then just say you don't believe it. For instance, I talk about the threats. You say they were not true. I state where they came from and you still say that is FALSE. I go further with the DATE of the CALL. How long it was, how many participated and specific Questions and ANSWERS and you change your tune. You don't focus on the facts , instead you go into your tirade about how that call was private, how did I become privy to it, etc..... You just deny and don't answer. Before, I was making stuff up. Then, your memory came ?
Some other SW guy spouts off about the number one F/O in PHX , former AirTran , not going to upgrade, etc.....Some guys log on and check the F/O list in PHX. BS. They verified the first 20 and stopped. ALL original WN. Then he said what - that is what he had heard someone say? Oh, ok. Some other guy comes along and all he has to contribute is insults and tries to guess my actual identity - followed by more insults. Nothing to contribute except to show his maturity level. A SW guy talks about holding up his lighter for the guy. LOL. Great display of judgment.
You spout off about age being a factor of Relative Seniority. Must be a SW pilot thing coined for just them (is that a little like the Triple Crown Award)? Guys pull the Snapshot list of AirTran. Took 50 at a time beginning with the number 1 guy and did the first 300. I wrote what the results were of their actual age and then compared the AGES and DOH of 1. Who they were placed behind and 2. What the average age of the groups they were put between. Another BS statement made by SW pilots that was proven to be false.
And all you can do is say, no - I don't believe that. You act like a politician. Are you one of their union leaders?
You have no credibility anymore. Again, all you seem to do is hold the line of pride and deny/deflect. Is it you just don't want to really know what your group and airline actually did again to fellow aviators in your profession. You should just watch and learn from some of the others on these threads and see how it is done with factual information - not opinion to just keep the same old tired false statements going.
If you want to make more false statements, feel free.
Good day.
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05-20-2015 | 12:47 PM
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Several SWA pilots have mentioned the young age of AirTran Captains as one reason they intimidated AAI pilots to accept seniority loss. Another false statement is the SWA pilots did not get anything out of the deal. The numbers tell a different story.
When the purchase of AAI was announced at the end of Sept. 2010 - SW had not hired in 2 years. The last SW pilot class was Sept. 2008.
The most junior Captain at AirTran was placed near this group with a class DOH of APR 2008. Those SWA pilots were at 95% on THEIR seniority list for 2 years and no hiring when the purchase was announced. The pilot forced in front of the Junior Captain went instantly from 95% to 82 % - significant movement on a list against furlough for a major airline.
The Number one pilot at AAI out of approx. 1750 was hired in 9 / 1993. He was 62 and the SWA group around him were avg. 54 years old. The guy in front of him on the day of snapshot - number 1,345 22.87 % and instantly went to 17.17 % with a DOH AUG 1995. SW pilot list changed from 5,880 to 7,834 pilots.
In increments of 50, the first 300 AirTran Captains for the data.
AAI Ca., -------- His % on AAI list , -------- AVG. AGE of 50 prior to them ,------------ DOH
# 50 ---------3.3 % ------- 56 -------- 5/95
#100-------- 6.6 % ------- 56 --------- 2/97
#150 -------10.0 % -------- 51 --------- 4/98
#200------- 13.0 % -------- 44 ---------- 4/99
#250 -------16.3 % -------- 44 --------- 12/99
#300------- 19.7 % -------- 44 ---------- 7/00
Who were these particular AAI Captains placed directly behind, what did that SWA pilot have at the Snapshot and what did the SWA Captains gain?
AAI # behind SWA pilot # --- SWA pilot was list % --- DOH ---- SWA pilot became Seniority % after merge,
#50 was put behind 1782 ------- 30.31 % -------- 12/97 -------- SWA pilot went to 30.16 %
#100 behind 2258 ---------------- 38.4 % -------- 7/99 ----------------------- 36.1 %
#150 behind 2671 ---------------- 45.43 % -------- 8/00 ----------------------- 41.49 %
#200 behind 3044 ---------------- 51.77 % -------- 5/01 ----------------------- 46.82 %
#250 behind 3405 ---------------- 57.91 % -------- 3/02 ----------------------- 51.93 %
#300 behind 3750 ---------------- 63.78 % -------- 4/2004 ----------------------- 52.23 %
AAI Captain went from 3.3 % and placed with a SWA Captain who was bidding 30.1 %. The #150 AAI Captain was used to bidding at 10 % and was placed behind a SWA Captain who was used to bidding 45.43 % (reserve ?). etc...
A Captain who was bidding in the top 16 - 20 % at AirTran was placed behind SWA pilots who were not Captains yet and hired 3 and 4 years after their DOH. Hiring had stopped for 2 years at SWA. They were put with SWA pilots who were bidding 57 -64 % !
This was just the first 300 of the 815 AirTran Captains on the day of the snapshot. They will in theory be able to bid back eventually. A few hundred will not be able to ever hold Captain again before retiring.
When the purchase of AAI was announced at the end of Sept. 2010 - SW had not hired in 2 years. The last SW pilot class was Sept. 2008.
The most junior Captain at AirTran was placed near this group with a class DOH of APR 2008. Those SWA pilots were at 95% on THEIR seniority list for 2 years and no hiring when the purchase was announced. The pilot forced in front of the Junior Captain went instantly from 95% to 82 % - significant movement on a list against furlough for a major airline.
The Number one pilot at AAI out of approx. 1750 was hired in 9 / 1993. He was 62 and the SWA group around him were avg. 54 years old. The guy in front of him on the day of snapshot - number 1,345 22.87 % and instantly went to 17.17 % with a DOH AUG 1995. SW pilot list changed from 5,880 to 7,834 pilots.
In increments of 50, the first 300 AirTran Captains for the data.
AAI Ca., -------- His % on AAI list , -------- AVG. AGE of 50 prior to them ,------------ DOH
# 50 ---------3.3 % ------- 56 -------- 5/95
#100-------- 6.6 % ------- 56 --------- 2/97
#150 -------10.0 % -------- 51 --------- 4/98
#200------- 13.0 % -------- 44 ---------- 4/99
#250 -------16.3 % -------- 44 --------- 12/99
#300------- 19.7 % -------- 44 ---------- 7/00
Who were these particular AAI Captains placed directly behind, what did that SWA pilot have at the Snapshot and what did the SWA Captains gain?
AAI # behind SWA pilot # --- SWA pilot was list % --- DOH ---- SWA pilot became Seniority % after merge,
#50 was put behind 1782 ------- 30.31 % -------- 12/97 -------- SWA pilot went to 30.16 %
#100 behind 2258 ---------------- 38.4 % -------- 7/99 ----------------------- 36.1 %
#150 behind 2671 ---------------- 45.43 % -------- 8/00 ----------------------- 41.49 %
#200 behind 3044 ---------------- 51.77 % -------- 5/01 ----------------------- 46.82 %
#250 behind 3405 ---------------- 57.91 % -------- 3/02 ----------------------- 51.93 %
#300 behind 3750 ---------------- 63.78 % -------- 4/2004 ----------------------- 52.23 %
AAI Captain went from 3.3 % and placed with a SWA Captain who was bidding 30.1 %. The #150 AAI Captain was used to bidding at 10 % and was placed behind a SWA Captain who was used to bidding 45.43 % (reserve ?). etc...
A Captain who was bidding in the top 16 - 20 % at AirTran was placed behind SWA pilots who were not Captains yet and hired 3 and 4 years after their DOH. Hiring had stopped for 2 years at SWA. They were put with SWA pilots who were bidding 57 -64 % !
This was just the first 300 of the 815 AirTran Captains on the day of the snapshot. They will in theory be able to bid back eventually. A few hundred will not be able to ever hold Captain again before retiring.
What is your deal. Now your beginning to show your true self - just like several other SW pilots on the threads.
A SW pilot makes a statement - just words or opinions. Several of us go actually check it out. It is false. I state the fact and back it up with the information and the source.
You then just say you don't believe it. For instance, I talk about the threats. You say they were not true. I state where they came from and you still say that is FALSE. I go further with the DATE of the CALL. How long it was, how many participated and specific Questions and ANSWERS and you change your tune. You don't focus on the facts , instead you go into your tirade about how that call was private, how did I become privy to it, etc..... You just deny and don't answer. Before, I was making stuff up. Then, your memory came ?
Some other SW guy spouts off about the number one F/O in PHX , former AirTran , not going to upgrade, etc.....Some guys log on and check the F/O list in PHX. BS. They verified the first 20 and stopped. ALL original WN. Then he said what - that is what he had heard someone say? Oh, ok. Some other guy comes along and all he has to contribute is insults and tries to guess my actual identity - followed by more insults. Nothing to contribute except to show his maturity level. A SW guy talks about holding up his lighter for the guy. LOL. Great display of judgment.
You spout off about age being a factor of Relative Seniority. Must be a SW pilot thing coined for just them (is that a little like the Triple Crown Award)? Guys pull the Snapshot list of AirTran. Took 50 at a time beginning with the number 1 guy and did the first 300. I wrote what the results were of their actual age and then compared the AGES and DOH of 1. Who they were placed behind and 2. What the average age of the groups they were put between. Another BS statement made by SW pilots that was proven to be false.
And all you can do is say, no - I don't believe that. You act like a politician. Are you one of their union leaders?
You have no credibility anymore. Again, all you seem to do is hold the line of pride and deny/deflect. Is it you just don't want to really know what your group and airline actually did again to fellow aviators in your profession. You should just watch and learn from some of the others on these threads and see how it is done with factual information - not opinion to just keep the same old tired false statements going.
If you want to make more false statements, feel free.
Good day.
A SW pilot makes a statement - just words or opinions. Several of us go actually check it out. It is false. I state the fact and back it up with the information and the source.
You then just say you don't believe it. For instance, I talk about the threats. You say they were not true. I state where they came from and you still say that is FALSE. I go further with the DATE of the CALL. How long it was, how many participated and specific Questions and ANSWERS and you change your tune. You don't focus on the facts , instead you go into your tirade about how that call was private, how did I become privy to it, etc..... You just deny and don't answer. Before, I was making stuff up. Then, your memory came ?
Some other SW guy spouts off about the number one F/O in PHX , former AirTran , not going to upgrade, etc.....Some guys log on and check the F/O list in PHX. BS. They verified the first 20 and stopped. ALL original WN. Then he said what - that is what he had heard someone say? Oh, ok. Some other guy comes along and all he has to contribute is insults and tries to guess my actual identity - followed by more insults. Nothing to contribute except to show his maturity level. A SW guy talks about holding up his lighter for the guy. LOL. Great display of judgment.
You spout off about age being a factor of Relative Seniority. Must be a SW pilot thing coined for just them (is that a little like the Triple Crown Award)? Guys pull the Snapshot list of AirTran. Took 50 at a time beginning with the number 1 guy and did the first 300. I wrote what the results were of their actual age and then compared the AGES and DOH of 1. Who they were placed behind and 2. What the average age of the groups they were put between. Another BS statement made by SW pilots that was proven to be false.
And all you can do is say, no - I don't believe that. You act like a politician. Are you one of their union leaders?
You have no credibility anymore. Again, all you seem to do is hold the line of pride and deny/deflect. Is it you just don't want to really know what your group and airline actually did again to fellow aviators in your profession. You should just watch and learn from some of the others on these threads and see how it is done with factual information - not opinion to just keep the same old tired false statements going.
If you want to make more false statements, feel free.
Good day.
"Relative does not effect anyone. Well, ok. If your number 1 at SWA and number 1 at AAI. there can only be 1 number 1. So the AAI pilot is now number 2. If your used to bidding so many lines - you will still be bidding so many lines. It is all relative. Each has a number of pilots for each airplane. "
I told you you were full of it and explained in explicit detail how the younger average age of AT pilots would actually be extremely detrimental to SWA pilots seniority to which you responded:
"SHOELU sir, I concede. You got me on this. It is hard for me to debate when I am not grasping fully your information in regards to the age of each pilot group.
I don't know how to explain it and so I probably should not attempt. As you can see at my age - I have a hard time typing without first, posting. Then read and find errors that I must go back and edit. Everytime. Frustrating for me."
You then attempted to make a point about the ages and dates of hire of former AT pilots and where they were inserted in a list that DID NOT USE RELATIVE SENIORITY as the metric for the integration. There is no correlation because the way the list actually WAS put together was to counter the detrimental effects of the younger AirTran group to the original SWA pilots on the list.
You keep mentioning the seniority bump that came to SWA pilots in this integration and yes there was some increased seniority awarded but in the vast majority of cases that increase was to counteract younger pilots being placed in front of SW pilots on the list. My seniority was bumped and each and every point of that increase is eroded every day until the time of my retirement where I end up within one tenth of a percentage point in relative seniority to where I would have ended up with out the AirTran acquisition.
05-20-2015 | 10:29 PM
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Since when is the average age of subject pilot groups a criteria utilized by an arbitrator in awarding a merged seniority list ?
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05-21-2015 | 06:28 AM
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As written by Shoelu -
"You keep mentioning the seniority bump that came to SWA pilots in this integration and yes there was some increased seniority awarded but in the vast majority of cases that increase was to counteract younger pilots being placed in front of SW pilots on the list. My seniority was bumped and each and every point of that increase is eroded every day until the time of my retirement where I end up within one tenth of a percentage point in relative seniority to where I would have ended up with out the AirTran acquisition.
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So your saying the DATA a few of us crunched by using BOTH GROUPS SENIORITY LIST SNAPSHOTS AND THE SLI MERGED LIST is not true?
Are you saying that your seniority is going to move backwards over time?
For example : Just say you are the number 1,000 guy right now. Over time you are going to move to the 1050, then 1200 etc... over the years? Are you also saying you for example were at 30 % on the snapshot SEP 2010. When the SLI was done - you became around 24%. Over the next few years you are going to move back to 30 % and then a few more years you will be at 45 % and then you will not be a CAPTAIN anymore because you are past 52 % and you retire as an F/O? Really.
Wow. Just like the few hundred AirTran Captains who had been a captain for nearly approx. 6, 8 years and will now be F/O's when they retire in the next 12 -15 years.
Go ahead, SW pilots - repeat what you usually do. They are going to make "Millions" more. Do you think most airline pilots aspire to retire as First Officers. Really.
Not saying that is not possible because if you bought American or UAL and did what you did to AirTran - in theory you may very well have a higher number on a new list because the list would be larger BUT your RELATIVE seniority would be better. Just based on what your group does to other airline pilots. AND - those bottom 10% of CAPTAINS from AA or UAL would be placed in with the bottom 5-8 % of the SWA pilot list , right? Then, basically staple the F/O's behind pilots with DOH's 4 years after them, right? I mean, at least they were not all stapled like the others, only fair - right? Tell them they have now lost their B fund but they gained the awesome Culture of SWA and the fantastic ability to call in Fatigued when they are tired. Every Captain loses their seats but will be allowed to try and go thru the full upgrade if their new seniority allows it, after a few years of course. The Captains will take pay cuts But, But, the F/O's will be paid more per hour for their staple. After all, some had sent in applications to work at SWA in the past. That is only fair. What a concept. Why not negotiate all CBA's for individuals. The hourly is based on where they may have sent an application in their past. Also, new hire seniority based on where they may have interviewed.
By the way, tell them if they don't like it - we will go down the list of what we have done to other airlines in the past and they will be unemployed in a couple of years.
"You keep mentioning the seniority bump that came to SWA pilots in this integration and yes there was some increased seniority awarded but in the vast majority of cases that increase was to counteract younger pilots being placed in front of SW pilots on the list. My seniority was bumped and each and every point of that increase is eroded every day until the time of my retirement where I end up within one tenth of a percentage point in relative seniority to where I would have ended up with out the AirTran acquisition.
shoelu is offline Report Post "
So your saying the DATA a few of us crunched by using BOTH GROUPS SENIORITY LIST SNAPSHOTS AND THE SLI MERGED LIST is not true?
Are you saying that your seniority is going to move backwards over time?
For example : Just say you are the number 1,000 guy right now. Over time you are going to move to the 1050, then 1200 etc... over the years? Are you also saying you for example were at 30 % on the snapshot SEP 2010. When the SLI was done - you became around 24%. Over the next few years you are going to move back to 30 % and then a few more years you will be at 45 % and then you will not be a CAPTAIN anymore because you are past 52 % and you retire as an F/O? Really.
Wow. Just like the few hundred AirTran Captains who had been a captain for nearly approx. 6, 8 years and will now be F/O's when they retire in the next 12 -15 years.
Go ahead, SW pilots - repeat what you usually do. They are going to make "Millions" more. Do you think most airline pilots aspire to retire as First Officers. Really.
Not saying that is not possible because if you bought American or UAL and did what you did to AirTran - in theory you may very well have a higher number on a new list because the list would be larger BUT your RELATIVE seniority would be better. Just based on what your group does to other airline pilots. AND - those bottom 10% of CAPTAINS from AA or UAL would be placed in with the bottom 5-8 % of the SWA pilot list , right? Then, basically staple the F/O's behind pilots with DOH's 4 years after them, right? I mean, at least they were not all stapled like the others, only fair - right? Tell them they have now lost their B fund but they gained the awesome Culture of SWA and the fantastic ability to call in Fatigued when they are tired. Every Captain loses their seats but will be allowed to try and go thru the full upgrade if their new seniority allows it, after a few years of course. The Captains will take pay cuts But, But, the F/O's will be paid more per hour for their staple. After all, some had sent in applications to work at SWA in the past. That is only fair. What a concept. Why not negotiate all CBA's for individuals. The hourly is based on where they may have sent an application in their past. Also, new hire seniority based on where they may have interviewed.
By the way, tell them if they don't like it - we will go down the list of what we have done to other airlines in the past and they will be unemployed in a couple of years.
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05-21-2015 | 07:05 AM
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I feel like I now know the truth. I have spent a great deal of free time on this along with good conversations with some old friends - both SWA and AAI.
I also feel like the facts have been out for several thousand to see.
I said it before - I admit it was a mistake on my part creating 4 different threads. My intention was stated. To keep all the different points separate, but it did not work as I imagined. Lesson learned for me. That still does not change the facts.
I also feel like the facts have been out for several thousand to see.
I said it before - I admit it was a mistake on my part creating 4 different threads. My intention was stated. To keep all the different points separate, but it did not work as I imagined. Lesson learned for me. That still does not change the facts.
05-21-2015 | 07:24 AM
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Years of lurking followed by dozens and dozens of posts about how SW screwed the AT guys. All without saying who you work for but you say it's neither SW or AT. Of course your obsession makes sense...
05-21-2015 | 08:12 AM
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Is that an attempt to kick me in the teeth after I admitted making a mistake (the post above yours). Let me guess. 1. A Southwest pilot. 2. Just someone who hates. 3. You don't have really anything to say but your of that generation. Why don't you try to just contribute to the information with additional spin or facts?
For those of you who really want to know who I am - why? What does it really matter? If I said I worked at Walmart - does that change any of the facts whatsoever? If I said I worked for either airline - does that make the SWAPA phone call disappear? Then, the AAI captains really were not harmed or the purchase never existed?
I gave my background and where my "obsession" came from. Shoelu repeated it. I am a believer and I love my family. I am a US Marine. I am very familiar with the Airlines for DECADES and I am old. I don't tell people about all my type ratings, how I fly better than most or anything else so many seem to do in this industry anymore. Those are not my people.
There you go - spin that.
For those of you who really want to know who I am - why? What does it really matter? If I said I worked at Walmart - does that change any of the facts whatsoever? If I said I worked for either airline - does that make the SWAPA phone call disappear? Then, the AAI captains really were not harmed or the purchase never existed?
I gave my background and where my "obsession" came from. Shoelu repeated it. I am a believer and I love my family. I am a US Marine. I am very familiar with the Airlines for DECADES and I am old. I don't tell people about all my type ratings, how I fly better than most or anything else so many seem to do in this industry anymore. Those are not my people.
There you go - spin that.
05-21-2015 | 08:21 AM
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LOL. Anyone wonders about my background can read my posts. It won't take a rocket surgeon to figure it out. It's not SW.
What generation am I from? What's your birth year? Maybe you're the young one?
What decade did your airline experience start?
What generation am I from? What's your birth year? Maybe you're the young one?
What decade did your airline experience start?
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