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09-26-2015 | 04:39 PM
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09-26-2015 | 05:21 PM
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The reason it is fly now grieve later is we don't have any legally enforceable contract. If you don't fly it can be said you are being insubordinate and fired. The PEA is not enforceable and barely has any language in it anyway. Many pilots haven't even signed one. The many other places you're referring to most likely aren't negotiating their first contract.
We are the union, we do the policies. I hope we will stand strong.
09-26-2015 | 05:43 PM
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The only thing to keep in mind is FNGL is solely for areas where there is a grey area in, or multiple interpretations of, a contract section. So yes, you can and must tell them to eff off on the black and white issues they will certainly attempt to exploit. FNGL does not apply to agreed upon intent to contract language.
09-26-2015 | 05:46 PM
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not a joke. jeblue is horrible for doing this. does that make it any clearer.
09-26-2015 | 06:37 PM
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FNGL is a RLA thing, not an individual contract thing. If you think you will be leaving it in the past because you get a CBA, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
The only thing to keep in mind is FNGL is solely for areas where there is a grey area in, or multiple interpretations of, a contract section. So yes, you can and must tell them to eff off on the black and white issues they will certainly attempt to exploit. FNGL does not apply to agreed upon intent to contract language.
The only thing to keep in mind is FNGL is solely for areas where there is a grey area in, or multiple interpretations of, a contract section. So yes, you can and must tell them to eff off on the black and white issues they will certainly attempt to exploit. FNGL does not apply to agreed upon intent to contract language.
But thank you. You made me feel better.
09-26-2015 | 06:39 PM
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09-26-2015 | 08:39 PM
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09-26-2015 | 08:49 PM
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you angry bro? don't worry, you'll get a raise when american buys you and staples you to the bottom
Last edited by Patroni; 09-26-2015 at 09:29 PM. Reason: lament raisins lesser quo
09-26-2015 | 11:17 PM
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
I've worked with 250 hour newbies in Euroland and Asia at three airlines. Most were right on track for where they were. Yeah... they were still learning after being released to the line. Some are captains at their original carriers. Some have moved on their dream carriers too.
Too bad they missed the normal progression of flying single pilot freight or charters, then moving to turboprops before sitting in the Bieing or Airbus.
Still they manage to find the correct airports, and land on runways rather than tai ways... which some may consider a bonus.
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