tsquare

Until they are in bubble wrap, yes, it is a "rumor". "If it ain't painted and sitting on the ramp, it's a rumor." Why don't we deal in tangible fact on this forum for a change?

tsquare

No.. .but the bus driver's mechanic said.....

Superpilot92

It was sarcasm on my part reread what i wrote(above post ^^^^), not to mention the "". I was doing just as you suggest, i was calling out his "rumor".

Bucking Bar

OK, then lets comment on confirmed facts.

Delta's remaining 767 fleet is no where near 22 years old. I think some may have come as late as 2001 to 03. These airplanes are getting winglet mods, they already have new FMC's and Delta is spending a Billion on new seats, inflight entertainment and other upgrades.

Bucking Bar

IMHO -

Mesa's injunction gives a strong indication of the merits of their case.

Injunctions are hard to get because the Court is acting BEFORE the trial. If the Court is willing to stop action preemptively that is a very strong indication that it believes that position will prevail.

I'm not sure if the Contracts with Mesa and Republic are bankruptcy proof, but I'm thinking the bankruptcy tool might get pulled out of the tool box again (for a variety of reasons) but mostly to deal with around 4 to 5 billion dollars worth of DCI contracts. The tail is wagging the dog.

IMHO this puts pressure on Comair (the RJ's that can be parked) and DC9's (the other, other, RJ's that can be parked).

Superpilot92

Is that how yall felt about your "RJ" 737-200/300's? The DC9s will be DAL aircraft soon and until we realize that its not ok to just park those and allow mgmt to get around our scope language the downward slide in our industry will continue. You seem to forget we have scope language to protect our -9s or the jobs they include. IF they are ALL parked its because DALs scope allowed it not NWA. The DC9 has a specific mission and it does a good job in it. The 34ish -50s will be sticking around for a while and i am sure the -40s will also. The -30s are a toss up, they are the 100 seaters that DAL says they need. I think they will be around until replacements can be found. we shall see. Either way there is going to be a big shuffle in aircraft and bases. We are on the same team so there is no reason to fight between groups.

finis72

The sooner we realize that we are on the same team the better off the "team" will be.Both groups have smart guys trying to get the best deal possible for their respective pilots. Let's hope they can compromise so we can be mad at them instead of some hooyah arbitrator. I,like everybody,don't want to lose seniority but I do want to play on a stronger team,I will have to compromise.Yes I am senior and I won't get too hurt regardless but I still want to fly to TLV.We all have issues.

sailingfun

The court did not rule on the merits of the case which is the basis for Delta's appeal. The accepted the Mesa arguement that without an injunction Mesa would go out of business and therefore a trial would have no meaning or not happen at all. Delta feels it should be decided on the merits of the case.

tsquare

I agree with ya Super.. Hopefully the committees that are hashing out the joint contract are cherry picking the best parts of both contracts. I demand nothing less, as I am I sure do you. Not badmouthing the -9, but in a parallel universe where airlines can make some money, I would THINK the companies would be looking for a more fuel efficient follow-on. (as I would expect them to do with ALL assets) But then again, like the US congress, when they have cash flow, they never seem to be able to look toward the bad times... I'm glad I don't run my checkbook like that.

Ciao!

Deez340

You keep making his point. The "flexibility" of which you speak means they're easier and therefore more likely to get parked. If you don't understand that then I can't help you either.

That being said, I spoke with one of the higher ups (name changed to protect the innocent) the other day and he candidly said that while the 30's were to go by by in short order the 50's would very likely have a future as a stop gap measure in the 100 seat market as a gap exists and
they don't like any of the new product available in that seat range. (ERJ and such) He went on to say that in this environment any fleet plan would not only need a date stamp but a time stamp to be reliable, as it may change two or three times in any given day.