Not Exactly Eye-Watering
06-29-2008, 04:18 AM
#141
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Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by NuGuy
As far as the asinine "part time" proposal.... It will never see the light of day. 99% of the NWA pilots are against it. Even if it did, what POSSIBLE benefit to the SLI could result for the NWA guys? Less senior guys = better position for most. But you DAL guys know that, too.
Just sew 4 stripes on your bathrobe, stay home and tell the wife you take your coffee with 1 sugar.
Now that I think about it, maybe that's why they need to get out of the house now.
Carl
06-29-2008, 05:23 AM
#142
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,619
Originally Posted by newKnow
You work 75 hours per month. I work 85. How many more NWA pilots would be there if 5000 of us worked 10 hours less per month? So, what you say is not true.
The average Northwest pilot in 2007 flew 0.9 hour per month more than a Delta pilot. There is nothing in either pilot's contract that would prevent any pilot from flying the yearly maximum if they want.
The biggest difference between Delta's contract and the Northwest contract is that Delta pilots get less time forced on them initially. They then have the option to pick up time when they want to. There isn't a lot of difference in the amount of time they actually fly.
06-29-2008, 08:18 PM
#143
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Nu,
We said we wanted parity for you on day one and negotiated just that.
The LOA's passed with the JPWA speak for themselves.
NWA brings more pilots to the merger than jobs.
We said we wanted parity for you on day one and negotiated just that.
The LOA's passed with the JPWA speak for themselves.
NWA brings more pilots to the merger than jobs.
06-29-2008, 08:20 PM
#144
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by newKnow
Nope. Understaffed.
06-29-2008, 08:28 PM
#145
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,993
I post my sources, you post yours. Convince me that despite losing 27 airplanes, or more, this year that you are short. Convince me that with NWA pilots starting threads like "NWA/DAL Prior to Furloughs?" and displacement notices (admittedly cancelled with the JPWA) that you don't bring pilots looking for Delta jets to fly.
In Nicolau's rulings furloughed pilots (as well as those displaced to RJ's) were stapled. Obviously the NWA side would like a better result and would really like them to be on top of Delta pilots so that the Delta pilots have to take the furloughs when the DC9 fleet goes away. It appears to be your MEC has positioned itself well for arbitration.
I prefer your version of the truth, I really do. BTW Super92:
In Nicolau's rulings furloughed pilots (as well as those displaced to RJ's) were stapled. Obviously the NWA side would like a better result and would really like them to be on top of Delta pilots so that the Delta pilots have to take the furloughs when the DC9 fleet goes away. It appears to be your MEC has positioned itself well for arbitration.
I prefer your version of the truth, I really do. BTW Super92:
Originally Posted by NWA's list stats as of 26 Jun 2008
5,156 Total
4,523 Active
188 non i Furlough
4,523 Active
188 non i Furlough
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 06-29-2008 at 08:36 PM.
06-29-2008, 08:48 PM
#146
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I post my sources, you post yours. Convince me that despite losing 27 airplanes, or more, this year that you are short. Convince me that with NWA pilots starting threads like "NWA/DAL Priot to Furloughs?" and displacement notices (admittedly cancelled with the JPWA) that you don't bring pilots looking for Delta jets to fly.
In Nicolau's rulings furloughed pilots (as well as those displaced to RJ's) were stapled. Obviously the NWA side would like a better result and would really like them to be on top of Delta pilots so that the Delta pilots have to take the furloughs when the DC9 fleet goes away.
I prefer your version of the truth, I really do. I'm asking, begging, you to convince me.
In Nicolau's rulings furloughed pilots (as well as those displaced to RJ's) were stapled. Obviously the NWA side would like a better result and would really like them to be on top of Delta pilots so that the Delta pilots have to take the furloughs when the DC9 fleet goes away.
I prefer your version of the truth, I really do. I'm asking, begging, you to convince me.
06-29-2008, 08:54 PM
#147
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Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Source = Company Flying Update
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I prefer your version of the truth, I really do. BTW Super92:
B747-400
B747-200
A330
B787
B757
A320/A319
DC-9
Memo dated 1/17/08
’08 Aircraft
16
12
32
0
71
130
68
’08 Capt
180
130
300
0
530
820
330
’08 FO
280
100
430
0
540
770
370
’08 SO
0
180
0
0
0
0
0
Memo dated 4/3/08
’08 Aircraft
16
12
32
0
68
126
58
’08 Capt
180
130
300
0
540
830
300
’08 FO
280
100
430
0
540
770
330
’08 SO
0
180
0
0
0
0
0
Revised
’08 Aircraft
16
12
32
0
61
126
58
’08 Capt
180
120
330
0
500
830
300
’08 FO
280
100
430
0
530
770
330
’08 SO
0
180
0
0
0
0
0
Fleet counts and headcounts are year-end totals. The revised ’08 data represents forecasts and is subject to change
Add up those positions and tell me how many pilots will be needed by years end and compare that to your NWA staffing numbers. Scuse the formatting
NOTE THIS IS CURRENT AS OF THIS WEEK
06-30-2008, 04:15 AM
#148
Looking for a laugh
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Posts: 4,099
Ya know, I find it kind of humorous that the roles here seen to be reversed. Before, the NW guys were convinced that DL pilots were out to screw em over LOA19 and the JPWA. The DL pilots were the "Voice of Reason" and trust us. Now, the DL pilots ae convinced the NW pilots are out to screw em by dragging the SLI to arbitration, and the NW pilots are the "Voice or Reason" and trust us.
Think there's a lesson in there?
Think there's a lesson in there?
06-30-2008, 08:43 AM
#149
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Ya know, I find it kind of humorous that the roles here seen to be reversed. Before, the NW guys were convinced that DL pilots were out to screw em over LOA19 and the JPWA. The DL pilots were the "Voice of Reason" and trust us. Now, the DL pilots ae convinced the NW pilots are out to screw em by dragging the SLI to arbitration, and the NW pilots are the "Voice or Reason" and trust us.
Think there's a lesson in there?
Think there's a lesson in there?
I truly am confused about one thing however. After LOA 19, DAL said "trust us" everything will be fine. You guys will have parity and there will be beers and dancing girls all around. Now we have a TA that gives NWA guys parity - just as you predicted. Now we have the Bucking Bars etal screaming about what a screw job this is. Here's where I'm confused: NOTHING ELSE HAS HAPPENED BETWEEN LOA 19 AND NOW EXCEPT A TA THAT GIVES NWA PILOTS PARITY. It's what DAL guys said they wanted. It has now happened. Why the anger? Did you really want us to be paid less than you? Did your offer of an olive branch only apply as long as we were paid less?
Not directed at you Justdoingmyjob, I'm just asking because I value your opinion.
Carl
06-30-2008, 08:58 AM
#150
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 847
I'm voting no. The longer this gets dragged out, the less chance DAL guys will have to pay via "sharing" NWA's furloughs.
If NWA furloughs this fall, as it sounds like they very well might, it shouldn't come out of my hide. That's why I came here, and didn't go there.
If NWA furloughs this fall, as it sounds like they very well might, it shouldn't come out of my hide. That's why I came here, and didn't go there.
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