Superpilot92

The irresponsible part in all that is the fact that MOST of the NO people were screaming NO before any info was published. As soon as these few heard NWA would get parity from day one, which by the way was what DALPA had been saying all along, these guys started screaming NO. Instead of educating themselves with the wealth of info their our MECs put out or by going to a roadshows and asking questions they have made their minds up.

That is irresponsible and childish. People need to open their eyes and take a look at the rest of the industry and realize how F-ed up it is. We have an opportunity to join up as a solid pilot group, get some pay raises, build a world class airline and avoid a USAIR mess. Voting no does NOTHING but delay and cost OUR new company BIG money = especially not good in this environment. Voting NO gets the same SLI results and eventually the synergies the company wants except then it will be for less money then we can get now.

This will pass because most people can see the forest through the trees.

Check Essential

I'm not so sure. The "NO" chorus at Delta is loud and growing louder.

To save this thing, there is talk of scheduling the vote to close after Aug 12th. That's the deadline in the agreement when we find out the status of SLI negotiations. The contract would probably be ratified if the Aug 12th list of "open and resolved issues" shows substantial progress toward a fair settlement.
If the merger committees report that nothing was "resolved" and the entire seniority list remains "open" for arbitration, then I think the contract will be doomed.

DeadHead

Thought the contract stipulated that the SLI would go to arbitration if the two pilot groups could not decide by a set date (not sure if Aug. 12th is that date or not).

I could be wrong though, still not up to par on reading long, lengthy, legal pilot contracts, but that doesn't stop me from reading a line or two then posting on here so I can feel smart.

Anyone have any idea when the companies will get the official word from the Justice Department?

NuGuy

Heyas,

The SLI agreement and the JPWA are two separate agreements.

It doesn't matter what happens with the JPWA...the SLI goes forward anyway.

From the sounds of it, the "NO" guys at DAL won't be happy with anything less than windfall, which with the current arbitration setup isn't likely to happen. . They were expecting a windfall, but it's not going to happen that way because the NC teams were doing their jobs.

Just as unlikely is getting any more money out of DAL management. Oil north of $140 and the economy deflating like a cheap beach toy...yeah, tell me how that "plan B" works again? It ain't spreading fear when the danger is real.

What really kills me is that all the "get on the train folks" were preaching Moak's praises until he actually delivered what he promised. I guess they didn't think he was serious. In the NWA world, you build bridges by following through on promises. I guess in the DAL world you abandon your leaders for following though. Classy.

The SLI is what it's going to be. No predjudice. You can lock in some gains, get a unified pilot group, and in a couple of years, when things are looking up, you come back with a 12,000 strong pilot group.

Or not.

Nu

Check Essential

That's correct. Aug 12th is the date we get a list of open issues and arbitration begins.
Here's the language:

Negotiation

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1. Beginning no later than July 8, 2008, representatives designated by each of the Northwest and Delta MECs (the "Representatives") will meet and continue to work in good faith to reach agreement on an integrated seniority list for the post-merger airline. Any full agreement on an integrated seniority list reached by the Representatives under this Process Agreement (any such agreement, a "Negotiated Agreement") will be final and binding on the Delta MEC, the Northwest MEC and the Association.

2. If the Representatives are unable to reach agreement by August 8, 2008, they will make every reasonable effort to create a mutually-acceptable written statement of the resolved issues and the open issues in the seniority list negotiations. The Representatives will make every reasonable effort to finalize the list of resolved and open issues by August 12, 2008.

Arbitration.

3. If the Representatives are unable to agree on an integrated seniority list by August 12, 2008, the parties will commence a final and binding arbitration process before the neutral arbitration panel selected as described on Schedule A to this Process Agreement.

johnso29

If you and a few others scream louder it doesn't count for more NO votes. Nice try though. Go to the road shows and get educated. Not passing this will put us all on a B scale. With no pay parity from day 1 along with fuel prices where they are at, LOA 19 won't last long.

Check Essential

With fuel prices where they are, LOA 19 will last long enough.

If you don't want to be on a B scale, negotiate a seniority list by Aug 12.

tsquare

There us no such thing

Superpilot92

I guess you NO voters like the idea of a USAIR possibility? Do you want a divided pilot group that destroys every opportunity for this company to dig in during these tough times? Its coming whether you like it or not. Voting no just ties the companies hands for a LITTLE bit longer burning much needed cash. Sounds like a solid plan For a group that preached how peachy their relationship with RA was you are sure quick to destroy that and make the NWA pilots look like the good ones to mgmt.

Heres a thought you vote this down, the NWA side now becomes the cheaper side and dal mgmt puts the new planes on the NWA side because we are cheaper. the irony would be classic stupid pilots for setting themselves up with a divided group and a B scale.

VOTING NO GETS THE SAME SLI. So if you think by voting NO that will get you a new SLI outcome you need to read the documentation on the process.

Superpilot92

we have protections but you're right nothing is "Iron Clad"