Delta's Proposed Seniority List
10-17-2008, 08:03 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
And by the way, have you stopped beating your wife yet? Yes or No? 
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10-17-2008, 10:39 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
If that's the new deltas plan is to park the 9's without replacement shouldn't delta pilots feel the brunt as well because nwa's plan wasn't to park them all. It sounds like with the merger it's new delta that wants to park them.
Has management given a reason as to why they want to park the 9? Under capcity, over lap, too expensive? The reason that I ask is, if the new management thought it best to retire the md88's instead of the 9 I don't think it would be right to furlough only delta's pilots for the parking of their airplane. It's a part of the new airline's plan and not either of the original airlines plan.
On a side note if any airplane can be replace by something at a regional then I think a furlough should start from the top down for not tightening scope under the combined contract.
Has management given a reason as to why they want to park the 9? Under capcity, over lap, too expensive? The reason that I ask is, if the new management thought it best to retire the md88's instead of the 9 I don't think it would be right to furlough only delta's pilots for the parking of their airplane. It's a part of the new airline's plan and not either of the original airlines plan.
On a side note if any airplane can be replace by something at a regional then I think a furlough should start from the top down for not tightening scope under the combined contract.
10-18-2008, 04:49 AM
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Last I heard the 9's are here for another 3 years which just happens to jive with the 3 year fence proposed by DALPA.My gut instinct says the final judgement will be a ratio top to bottom with fences,everybody's relative seniority stays the same.I really don't have that big of a dog in this fight and it's only my opinion which is based on nothing resembling fact.
10-18-2008, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric Stratton
the number that has been posted about a year ago was in the upper 60's and then when oil shot up it was to be in the upper 50's. at the same time if memory serves delta also announce around an 11% reduction as well. (just making the comparison that the industry started to go south for all when the additional dc9 retirements were announced.)
I've been told by friends at northwest that they did have plans to park 9's but not all. they had plans to keep flying them until around 2013. the flying that was being stopped was being picked up by the initial compass flying. the nwa scope supposedly protects more flying from being outsource by having a ratio in it. (preventing further regional growth at the expense of nwa)
I've been told by friends at northwest that they did have plans to park 9's but not all. they had plans to keep flying them until around 2013. the flying that was being stopped was being picked up by the initial compass flying. the nwa scope supposedly protects more flying from being outsource by having a ratio in it. (preventing further regional growth at the expense of nwa)
10-18-2008, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
Last I heard the 9's are here for another 3 years which just happens to jive with the 3 year fence proposed by DALPA.My gut instinct says the final judgement will be a ratio top to bottom with fences,everybody's relative seniority stays the same.I really don't have that big of a dog in this fight and it's only my opinion which is based on nothing resembling fact.
10-18-2008, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
All the company press releases state they will be down to 62 by the end of the year. The original plan was 68 but when the additional cuts were annouced it included 6 more nines going away.
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10-18-2008, 09:31 AM
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I see the article that mentions the further reductions back when oil was at record levels. I know i read somewhere that that number was increased to 68. I will try and find where i saw that. Here is what i understood the dc9 fleet to be at years end fwiw.
At end of 2008, 68 DC9s in service (34 DC9-50s, 11 DC9-40s, 23 DC9-30s)
At end of 2008, 68 DC9s in service (34 DC9-50s, 11 DC9-40s, 23 DC9-30s)
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10-18-2008, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
I see the article that mentions the further reductions back when oil was at record levels. I know i read somewhere that that number was increased to 68. I will try and find where i saw that. Here is what i understood the dc9 fleet to be at years end fwiw.
At end of 2008, 68 DC9s in service (34 DC9-50s, 11 DC9-40s, 23 DC9-30s)
At end of 2008, 68 DC9s in service (34 DC9-50s, 11 DC9-40s, 23 DC9-30s)
The problem is not what happens to the 58, but what has happened this year. NW has lost 50 airplanes, 1 out of 7 from January 2008, and still has the same number of pilots. How can you lose 14% of your airplanes and still be staffed properly?
If you assume 5 crews per airplane, a loss of 50 airplanes would amount to 500 less pilots needed for 2009. That is why it is not a stretch to have NW pilots at the bottom of the list. Absent the furlough mitigation letter, they would be furloughed right now or in the next few months. What happens at DCC when the furlough mitigation letter expires? Where do all those surplus pilots go?
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