kevin18

We’re on a contract. All of those rates that you’re seeing are from the last two years. Remember, joe flaco was the highest paid quarterback for a period. . .

pangolin

It looks like seniority number 700 and below would reduce us by 98 captains. 47 from IAH, 36 from DFW, 2 from IAD and 13 from SDF. Likely would cause base closing at SDF or jr assignments to that base. Possibly some reassignment to IAH for CRJ guys but that would be expensive for the company. I don't know if downgrades have to work globally or if they can do it by base. The contract 23-J-4 does mention out of seniority downgrades. 16-A says the seniority list is primary unless otherwise noted. 23-D-4 covers voluntary displacements - hence why you have a voluntary option in your standing bid. You can bid to be voluntarily displaced to FO. After the voluntary displacements - then the displacements occur in reverse seniority order. So if a displacement bid is announced your standing bid is paramount. This is all premature but a good research exercise. We have no idea about furloughs or displacements and the "rumor" of 100 CA displacements is just that - an unsubstantiated rumor.

propellere

Few hours and everyone will know.

pangolin

I doubt it. I don't think this is any sort of staffing announcement.

mjpilot

Yep, he never mentioned anything about downgrades. I'm sure someone asked that question, but it got simply ignored.

pangolin

He did mention a staffing “problem” if demand doesn’t pick up. Downgrades could save payroll money without furloughs.

550 news was encouraging but seems to indicate GoJet is done. We could have an ORD or EWR base eventually.

I guess in a post covid world the drink/snack station is a non starter in the 550. So there’s the 550 lite. At any rate that was the brightest spot for pilots.

Not that we will be asked but I’m a hard no on a reduced credit MOU if downgrades are on the table.

normalperson

Sorry, I know this is a dumb question and relates to scope etc but: why would United, after I thought Kirby recently indicated they wanted to get away from the 50-seaters, want to retrofit the 700’s to a 50 seat config? Why not just continue to operate as configured?

mjpilot

Downgrades would save money as soon as the downgrades happen, which would be before October.

That's why Express Jet, Air Wisconsin, and others have started downgrade bids.

Clearly, we ARE highly overstaffed on both fleet types.

For me, listening to this call was just a waste of time, since I basically knew most of that information already by observing the whole industry.

terks43

Don’t believe downgrades before October would comply with the CARES act. Specifically the “no changes in pay rate” part. That is beyond a shadow of a doubt a change in pay rate. Unless of course the federal government chooses not to hold large companies accountable yet again.

Swakid8

Cares Act doesn’t protect from Downgrades, it only protects the per hour rates and from layoffs.