propellere

1. Will cadets still have priority when it does restart?
Mesa will set the priority based on what costs the cheapest. Cheap to expensive in order

-Line Pilots on VLOA
-People who were let go in training pipeline.
Those in IOE and post checkride given priority.
-Cadets
-Street hire pool

2. How much is Mesa really flying right now?
not enough to keep the active roster of pilots flying at normal capacity. I was averaging 85-95hrs pre Covid. I now average 7 hours a month.

3. Is going to training before the end of the year a possibility?
Based on current historical trends, no.

4. Has there been any word on Furlough at Mesa yet?
No, however Mesa is not required to give notice at this time by law. Better to ask that question by the end of the first week of August.

Hope that answers your questions.

idlethrust

Time will tell

point80

As of right now this is where Mesa stands.

They currently are not hiring. They are however building a pool of qualified ATP licensed candidates. Rumors from the school house are that they are planning on bringing back the furloughed training classes (end aug/sep). Those furloughed classes will have to start from day 1 and sign a new contract that will contain No Bonus.

The AA side of Mesa is really hurting. The Ejet side however is alive and well. Even though people will grumble about flying only 65ish hr lines. Thats more of a systematic problem bc how the routes are built and keeping more people current. I believe for Aug that only the bottom 40-50ish FOs in IAH didnt have lines and they had FAs base assisting IAH all month.

As far as the 550s are concerned the rumor didnt come out of thin air. It started with a Q2 earnings call back in May, followed by a town hall meeting. In the Q2 A bank analyst for a large investor of Mesa asked the question if Mesa was capable of taking on the 550 flying if UA wanted or if the current Express carrier couldnt take on the flying. He answered by stating, we all know who that carrier is and how much they are struggling since covid. If they are unable to take deliver of a/c we are capable of doing the flying ourselves IF (big if) UA wants.

In the follow up town hall JO brought it up again and mentioned that there is a possibility of Mesa to open bases in ORD and EWR in 2021. That these bases IF (big if) were opened they would be manned by the 550s.

Now the rumors flying out of the glass palace in PHX are that JO had offered UA to do the conversions of the 700s to 550s himself with no cost to UA in exchange for UA giving us that flying. Remember those 700s belong to Mesa, not UA. JO can do as he pleases with them. With Mesa already having a current pilot group, fleet, and maintenance it is a relatively easy flow and makes more sense YV, not AWAC, to fly gojets planes IF (big if) gojet were to fold. JO will also under cut any offer AWAC makes to UA. Say what you want about cockroaches, they survive nuclear holocausts.

As far as furloughs are concerned I dont know how the CRJ guys feel bc of the AA contract is almost up and fear of not being renewed are there. Even though it seems like it will but at a smaller fleet size. But the EJET guys arent even thinking furlough. You just dont get that scents in the air.

People will talk **** about Mesa but at the end of the day we will survive, probably not furlough, and possibly expand. I rather be getting paid less and doing what I love than be standing in the unemployed line losing my house. And those same people will be dropping their airline apps in praying Mesa answers those prayers.

I expect us to get an update during Q3 earnings call on Aug 10th. I suggest you listen in bc some info will probably break.

pangolin

The AA side can bring down the UA side and vice versa. Over staffing on one side may require staff down sizing. That would require furlough from the bottom. If we need to drop 300 for example, some will be ejet and some Crj. If the only reduction needed is on the crj side then displacements will happen. That’s expensive. But Is it more expensive enough to not furlough?

point80

If my memory serves me well in 2008s furlough wasnt it more equipment specific. In other words I dont think they allowed people to cross train over to save their jobs. I believe the contract then too also said reverse seniority order. I could be wrong on that one but I believe thats what happened.

itsmytime

this is very true.

pangolin

Perhaps in response to the 2008 furlough there is specific language in the contract to prevent this from happening. See the furlough section.

point80

I totally get that the contracts are different. I just dont know how the contracts are different. If someone had a copy of 2008s I would like to compare. There are plenty of things management loopholes in our current contract. Like that 65 hr bull**** the union tried to pass without a vote. Like I said, at that point in time Mesa didnt allow you to cross train to take someones job that was already qualified on that equipment. Things can be different today but people thought the same back then.

BTW I dont think it will come to this bc I dont believe furloughs are happening here but historically thats what occurred

jcool734

Here is another question. Cadet recruiters have explained that due To the cadet contract the new ATP requirement will not apply to cadets. Do you think they will start training after the furloughed class starts then?


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pangolin

I can’t say but I hope so. The cadets have all been quality pilots.