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07-09-2022, 10:06 AM
#391
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Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by Bushmaster78FSA
For those who are following RTAG, they announced that Mesa will be paying 30k-40k for enlisted servicemembers to finish up their ratings and flight time in exchange of 2 years at Mesa.
07-09-2022, 11:07 AM
#392
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 161
Originally Posted by Bushmaster78FSA
For those who are following RTAG, they announced that Mesa will be paying 30k-40k for enlisted servicemembers to finish up their ratings and flight time in exchange of 2 years at Mesa.
Yep “big news!“ I’ll just say this if you’re an RTAGer thinking about Mesa... Read the fine print and know EXACTLY what you’re getting into. 2 years from when? IOE complete? Because that actually means 3 years.
If you need the FW time just take out a loan then go somewhere that will at a bare minimum, pay you what you’re worth. Maybe offer you a competitive work arrangement. Maybe even, I don’t know treat you like a person. Side note, crew tracking doesn’t even say hello anymore when you call them back, they just say “give me your numbers” (emp#) which is *perfect*.
If that’s not enough to sway you, sit down and do the math of the bonus minus the taxes, minus the career back end 6 months-a year of pay at a major (because you will likely be getting calls at 1,000-1,500 hours 121 and wishing you could leave without paying the money back) and compare it to just taking out a loan and then going to an AAWO and paying it back.
No way the interest on a loan/payment plan like that is worse than the hit you’d take on the taxes then paying back the full amount.
Maybe I’m missing something but I can’t imagine why you would come here over another, better-paying regional. Not trying to seem bitter or super negative. As a fellow vet just trying to give you the whole story and I hope you’ll really think it over before you put on those golden handcuffs.
07-09-2022, 11:47 AM
#393
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 288
Originally Posted by GoFaster
Yep “big news!“ I’ll just say this if you’re an RTAGer thinking about Mesa... Read the fine print and know EXACTLY what you’re getting into. 2 years from when? IOE complete? Because that actually means 3 years.
If you need the FW time just take out a loan then go somewhere that will at a bare minimum, pay you what you’re worth. Maybe offer you a competitive work arrangement. Maybe even, I don’t know treat you like a person. Side note, crew tracking doesn’t even say hello anymore when you call them back, they just say “give me your numbers” (emp#) which is *perfect*.
If that’s not enough to sway you, sit down and do the math of the bonus minus the taxes, minus the career back end 6 months-a year of pay at a major (because you will likely be getting calls at 1,000-1,500 hours 121 and wishing you could leave without paying the money back) and compare it to just taking out a loan and then going to an AAWO and paying it back.
No way the interest on a loan/payment plan like that is worse than the hit you’d take on the taxes then paying back the full amount.
Maybe I’m missing something but I can’t imagine why you would come here over another, better-paying regional. Not trying to seem bitter or super negative. As a fellow vet just trying to give you the whole story and I hope you’ll really think it over before you put on those golden handcuffs.
If you need the FW time just take out a loan then go somewhere that will at a bare minimum, pay you what you’re worth. Maybe offer you a competitive work arrangement. Maybe even, I don’t know treat you like a person. Side note, crew tracking doesn’t even say hello anymore when you call them back, they just say “give me your numbers” (emp#) which is *perfect*.
If that’s not enough to sway you, sit down and do the math of the bonus minus the taxes, minus the career back end 6 months-a year of pay at a major (because you will likely be getting calls at 1,000-1,500 hours 121 and wishing you could leave without paying the money back) and compare it to just taking out a loan and then going to an AAWO and paying it back.
No way the interest on a loan/payment plan like that is worse than the hit you’d take on the taxes then paying back the full amount.
Maybe I’m missing something but I can’t imagine why you would come here over another, better-paying regional. Not trying to seem bitter or super negative. As a fellow vet just trying to give you the whole story and I hope you’ll really think it over before you put on those golden handcuffs.
07-13-2022, 04:37 PM
#394
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 737
Originally Posted by westcoastf
You can tell he is trolling because he consistently has posted back to back on his two usernames multiple times. It’s pretty obvious at this point
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07-14-2022, 08:09 PM
#396
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Joined APC: May 2022
Posts: 277
Originally Posted by SpeedyT
So if the company can provide bonuses and $30k programs, for sure they have the money to up the pay rates.
07-14-2022, 10:39 PM
#397
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Position: CRJ900
Posts: 98
I would go to Mesa with the current rates only if they have a 100% contractual guaranteed flow to United after 2 years/2000hrs of service at Mesa as FO, no fine print. Hell, that would even start bringing in people from the AAWO's, and all other regionals to Mesa.
Currently AAWO flow is 5 years. They get paid:
$90/hr for 2 years, and $60/hr for 3 years at AAWO
Or, $36 year one, $38 year 2, $91 year 3, $174 year 4, $204 year 5. At mesa>united
It ends up being a much higher income over time with the added benifet of having a United seniority number earlier.
Another situation would be to make the 737 available to everyone contractually after 1 year as FO... With an increased pay rate. Not have the 737 available only to people who have been as Mesa for 20 years. Many people are diagnosed with shiny jet syndrome. That would also poach many people from AAWO and other regionals, simply for being able to fly the 737.
Case in point, there are 500 other ways to make Mesa THE AIRLINE people want to go to after finishing thier hours, even enough to make people leave AAWO's to come to Mesa.
It dosnt have to be as simple as just increasing the rate to make people stay at Mesa and reduce attrition.
How about going above and beyond to make people WANT to come here from other airlines. There has to be just that one big catch to reel people in like a fish, as I already mentioned two above. Even increasing pay to $60 like AW wouldn't even do anything.
Come on Mesa, the whole aviation industry is looking at you. Make people WANT to come here from AAWO/other regionals/finishing hours!
Currently AAWO flow is 5 years. They get paid:
$90/hr for 2 years, and $60/hr for 3 years at AAWO
Or, $36 year one, $38 year 2, $91 year 3, $174 year 4, $204 year 5. At mesa>united
It ends up being a much higher income over time with the added benifet of having a United seniority number earlier.
Another situation would be to make the 737 available to everyone contractually after 1 year as FO... With an increased pay rate. Not have the 737 available only to people who have been as Mesa for 20 years. Many people are diagnosed with shiny jet syndrome. That would also poach many people from AAWO and other regionals, simply for being able to fly the 737.
Case in point, there are 500 other ways to make Mesa THE AIRLINE people want to go to after finishing thier hours, even enough to make people leave AAWO's to come to Mesa.
It dosnt have to be as simple as just increasing the rate to make people stay at Mesa and reduce attrition.
How about going above and beyond to make people WANT to come here from other airlines. There has to be just that one big catch to reel people in like a fish, as I already mentioned two above. Even increasing pay to $60 like AW wouldn't even do anything.
Come on Mesa, the whole aviation industry is looking at you. Make people WANT to come here from AAWO/other regionals/finishing hours!
Last edited by PUNK; 07-14-2022 at 11:20 PM.
07-15-2022, 05:36 AM
#398
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Position: CRJ9 CA
Posts: 4,083
Originally Posted by PUNK
I would go to Mesa with the current rates only if they have a 100% contractual guaranteed flow to United after 2 years/2000hrs of service at Mesa as FO, no fine print. Hell, that would even start bringing in people from the AAWO's, and all other regionals to Mesa.
Currently AAWO flow is 5 years. They get paid:
$90/hr for 2 years, and $60/hr for 3 years at AAWO
Or, $36 year one, $38 year 2, $91 year 3, $174 year 4, $204 year 5. At mesa>united
It ends up being a much higher income over time with the added benifet of having a United seniority number earlier.
Another situation would be to make the 737 available to everyone contractually after 1 year as FO... With an increased pay rate. Not have the 737 available only to people who have been as Mesa for 20 years. Many people are diagnosed with shiny jet syndrome. That would also poach many people from AAWO and other regionals, simply for being able to fly the 737.
Case in point, there are 500 other ways to make Mesa THE AIRLINE people want to go to after finishing thier hours, even enough to make people leave AAWO's to come to Mesa.
It dosnt have to be as simple as just increasing the rate to make people stay at Mesa and reduce attrition.
How about going above and beyond to make people WANT to come here from other airlines. There has to be just that one big catch to reel people in like a fish, as I already mentioned two above. Even increasing pay to $60 like AW wouldn't even do anything.
Come on Mesa, the whole aviation industry is looking at you. Make people WANT to come here from AAWO/other regionals/finishing hours!
Currently AAWO flow is 5 years. They get paid:
$90/hr for 2 years, and $60/hr for 3 years at AAWO
Or, $36 year one, $38 year 2, $91 year 3, $174 year 4, $204 year 5. At mesa>united
It ends up being a much higher income over time with the added benifet of having a United seniority number earlier.
Another situation would be to make the 737 available to everyone contractually after 1 year as FO... With an increased pay rate. Not have the 737 available only to people who have been as Mesa for 20 years. Many people are diagnosed with shiny jet syndrome. That would also poach many people from AAWO and other regionals, simply for being able to fly the 737.
Case in point, there are 500 other ways to make Mesa THE AIRLINE people want to go to after finishing thier hours, even enough to make people leave AAWO's to come to Mesa.
It dosnt have to be as simple as just increasing the rate to make people stay at Mesa and reduce attrition.
How about going above and beyond to make people WANT to come here from other airlines. There has to be just that one big catch to reel people in like a fish, as I already mentioned two above. Even increasing pay to $60 like AW wouldn't even do anything.
Come on Mesa, the whole aviation industry is looking at you. Make people WANT to come here from AAWO/other regionals/finishing hours!
07-15-2022, 06:08 AM
#399
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Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 450
Originally Posted by PUNK
I would go to Mesa with the current rates only if they have a 100% contractual guaranteed flow to United after 2 years/2000hrs of service at Mesa as FO, no fine print. Hell, that would even start bringing in people from the AAWO's, and all other regionals to Mesa.
Currently AAWO flow is 5 years. They get paid:
$90/hr for 2 years, and $60/hr for 3 years at AAWO
Or, $36 year one, $38 year 2, $91 year 3, $174 year 4, $204 year 5. At mesa>united
It ends up being a much higher income over time with the added benifet of having a United seniority number earlier.
Another situation would be to make the 737 available to everyone contractually after 1 year as FO... With an increased pay rate. Not have the 737 available only to people who have been as Mesa for 20 years. Many people are diagnosed with shiny jet syndrome. That would also poach many people from AAWO and other regionals, simply for being able to fly the 737.
Case in point, there are 500 other ways to make Mesa THE AIRLINE people want to go to after finishing thier hours, even enough to make people leave AAWO's to come to Mesa.
It dosnt have to be as simple as just increasing the rate to make people stay at Mesa and reduce attrition.
How about going above and beyond to make people WANT to come here from other airlines. There has to be just that one big catch to reel people in like a fish, as I already mentioned two above. Even increasing pay to $60 like AW wouldn't even do anything.
Come on Mesa, the whole aviation industry is looking at you. Make people WANT to come here from AAWO/other regionals/finishing hours!
Currently AAWO flow is 5 years. They get paid:
$90/hr for 2 years, and $60/hr for 3 years at AAWO
Or, $36 year one, $38 year 2, $91 year 3, $174 year 4, $204 year 5. At mesa>united
It ends up being a much higher income over time with the added benifet of having a United seniority number earlier.
Another situation would be to make the 737 available to everyone contractually after 1 year as FO... With an increased pay rate. Not have the 737 available only to people who have been as Mesa for 20 years. Many people are diagnosed with shiny jet syndrome. That would also poach many people from AAWO and other regionals, simply for being able to fly the 737.
Case in point, there are 500 other ways to make Mesa THE AIRLINE people want to go to after finishing thier hours, even enough to make people leave AAWO's to come to Mesa.
It dosnt have to be as simple as just increasing the rate to make people stay at Mesa and reduce attrition.
How about going above and beyond to make people WANT to come here from other airlines. There has to be just that one big catch to reel people in like a fish, as I already mentioned two above. Even increasing pay to $60 like AW wouldn't even do anything.
Come on Mesa, the whole aviation industry is looking at you. Make people WANT to come here from AAWO/other regionals/finishing hours!
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