that’s a terrible deal

 

Yep “big news!“ I’ll just say this if you’re an RTAGer thinking about Mesa... Read the fine print and know EXACTLY what you’re getting into. 2 years from when? IOE complete? Because that actually means 3 years.

If you need the FW time just take out a loan then go somewhere that will at a bare minimum, pay you what you’re worth. Maybe offer you a competitive work arrangement. Maybe even, I don’t know treat you like a person. Side note, crew tracking doesn’t even say hello anymore when you call them back, they just say “give me your numbers” (emp#) which is *perfect*.

If that’s not enough to sway you, sit down and do the math of the bonus minus the taxes, minus the career back end 6 months-a year of pay at a major (because you will likely be getting calls at 1,000-1,500 hours 121 and wishing you could leave without paying the money back) and compare it to just taking out a loan and then going to an AAWO and paying it back.

No way the interest on a loan/payment plan like that is worse than the hit you’d take on the taxes then paying back the full amount.

Maybe I’m missing something but I can’t imagine why you would come here over another, better-paying regional. Not trying to seem bitter or super negative. As a fellow vet just trying to give you the whole story and I hope you’ll really think it over before you put on those golden handcuffs.

 

I can’t imagine it’s that big of a target audience. His post said it was for enlisted who want to transition, I’m curious how many actually used a GI bill to do RW. If it’s for officers as well, I’m pretty sure they woulda gotten their FW time before they transitioned to RW. In that case, anyone at RTAG should avoid regionals altogether.

 

It was always obvious. The continued use of both usernames "talking" to each other is weird.

 

So if the company can provide bonuses and $30k programs, for sure they have the money to up the pay rates.

 

Bonus can be taken away instantly. Hourly pay cannot. That’s why airline management loves bonus’

 

I would go to Mesa with the current rates only if they have a 100% contractual guaranteed flow to United after 2 years/2000hrs of service at Mesa as FO, no fine print. Hell, that would even start bringing in people from the AAWO's, and all other regionals to Mesa.

Currently AAWO flow is 5 years. They get paid:

$90/hr for 2 years, and $60/hr for 3 years at AAWO

Or, $36 year one, $38 year 2, $91 year 3, $174 year 4, $204 year 5. At mesa>united

It ends up being a much higher income over time with the added benifet of having a United seniority number earlier.

Another situation would be to make the 737 available to everyone contractually after 1 year as FO... With an increased pay rate. Not have the 737 available only to people who have been as Mesa for 20 years. Many people are diagnosed with shiny jet syndrome. That would also poach many people from AAWO and other regionals, simply for being able to fly the 737.

Case in point, there are 500 other ways to make Mesa THE AIRLINE people want to go to after finishing thier hours, even enough to make people leave AAWO's to come to Mesa.

It dosnt have to be as simple as just increasing the rate to make people stay at Mesa and reduce attrition.

How about going above and beyond to make people WANT to come here from other airlines. There has to be just that one big catch to reel people in like a fish, as I already mentioned two above. Even increasing pay to $60 like AW wouldn't even do anything.

Come on Mesa, the whole aviation industry is looking at you. Make people WANT to come here from AAWO/other regionals/finishing hours!

 

Theres no 737 restriction other than the fact that we don’t have many. Anyone can bid for it. Only the sr are holding it.

 

A flow to UAL won’t happen at Mesa. Also you’re way off the mark for the AA pay scales. You’re not including a bonus at all. If you have 950+ hours of 121 time and 3 years of 121 service, you will gross $240,000 on year 1 at Envoy. You will make just shy of $900,000 during the 5 years. Assuming another industry slow down doesn’t happen, the flow will probably get you to AA in 5 years now. Even with a slow down, half of their pilots are retiring in the coming years. You’re assuming everyone stays in year 1 pay like Mesa does. That’s a Mesa thing, not an industry standard. EVEN if they decided to reduce the rates in 2024, and for some reason you WEREN’T a captain yet, you’d revert from $111 per hour, to $74. $74 per hour is regular pay as a year 3 FO in 2024. Not $60, and damn not $36. You say there are 500 things to make Mesa somewhere people want to go, but miss the point that there are already a million reasons people WILL NOT go to Mesa. Since the 80’s it has been the worst place to work as a pilot. Let it go. Let them die. Regionals need to go away, but the bottom feeder regionals need to go away ASAP. And I mean the Mesa pilot group no disrespect, I wish you all the best. It is the management at Mesa that is the problem.

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What are the guesses on JO’s town hall?

“We are fee for departure and my $ is tied up in bull**** electric planes” sorry can’t pay you!