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#1261
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#1262
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I change my mind. I don't work at Mesa so I don't know what you mean by duty off. If airport reserve was added to your schedule anytime prior to setting the parking brake of your last flight, no matter if it begins 1 minute or 1 hour after your last flight, it is legal provided it doesn't violate your FDP you calculated.
Ex: Your RAP starts at 4am. You are called at 8 am. 14+4 gives you 18 but the rule states you are limited to 16. You must be done at 8pm. So, let's say you are only scheduled for 2 legs and are finished at noon. As long as it was added prior to setting the brake, you can be scheduled for any flight or reserve as long as it ends at 8pm when you must enter rest. So, you could have 3 hours "off" but your clock doesn't reset. You must be put to rest at 8. If the company wants to give you 30 mins off, that's their problem. They don't have to notify you prior to the brake being set but it has to be added to the schedule for it to be legal. If it is not added and you call and there is nothing or you check and there is nothing, any further additions would be illegal as you were put to rest when the plane was parked.
Ex: Your RAP starts at 4am. You are called at 8 am. 14+4 gives you 18 but the rule states you are limited to 16. You must be done at 8pm. So, let's say you are only scheduled for 2 legs and are finished at noon. As long as it was added prior to setting the brake, you can be scheduled for any flight or reserve as long as it ends at 8pm when you must enter rest. So, you could have 3 hours "off" but your clock doesn't reset. You must be put to rest at 8. If the company wants to give you 30 mins off, that's their problem. They don't have to notify you prior to the brake being set but it has to be added to the schedule for it to be legal. If it is not added and you call and there is nothing or you check and there is nothing, any further additions would be illegal as you were put to rest when the plane was parked.
Airport reserve can occur with no flight segments assigned. However, once flying is assigned, the FDP ends once the last flight segment is completed (unless more flight segments have been assigned prior to brake set on the last assigned flight segment). That's why the definition in the reg explicitly states airport rsv is only part of the FDP before or between flight segments (if any flight segments are actually assigned).
(FDP) means a
period that begins when a flightcrew
member is required to report for duty
with the intention of conducting a
flight, a series of flights, or positioning
or ferrying flights, and ends when the
aircraft is parked after the last flight and
there is no intention for further aircraft
movement by the same flightcrew
member. A flight duty period includes
the duties performed by the flightcrew
member on behalf of the certificate
holder that occur before a flight segment
or between flight segments without a
required intervening rest period.
Examples of tasks that are part of the
flight duty period include deadhead
transportation, training conducted in an
aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/
standby reserve, if the above tasks occur
before a flight segment or between flight
segments without an intervening
required rest period:
I don't think I see the word after in the reg
Last edited by flapshalfspeed; 01-24-2014 at 01:45 AM.
#1263
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WRONG--your FDP ended when you set the brake on your last assigned flying inside that FDP.
Airport reserve can occur with no flight segments assigned. However, once flying is assigned, the FDP ends once the last flight segment is completed (unless more flight segments have been assigned prior to brake set on the last assigned flight segment). That's why the definition in the reg explicitly states airport rsv is only part of the FDP before or between flight segments (if any flight segments are actually assigned).
(FDP) means a
period that begins when a flightcrew
member is required to report for duty
with the intention of conducting a
flight, a series of flights, or positioning
or ferrying flights, and ends when the
aircraft is parked after the last flight and
there is no intention for further aircraft
movement by the same flightcrew
member. A flight duty period includes
the duties performed by the flightcrew
member on behalf of the certificate
holder that occur before a flight segment
or between flight segments without a
required intervening rest period.
Examples of tasks that are part of the
flight duty period include deadhead
transportation, training conducted in an
aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/
standby reserve, if the above tasks occur
before a flight segment or between flight
segments without an intervening
required rest period:
I don't think I see the word after in the reg
Airport reserve can occur with no flight segments assigned. However, once flying is assigned, the FDP ends once the last flight segment is completed (unless more flight segments have been assigned prior to brake set on the last assigned flight segment). That's why the definition in the reg explicitly states airport rsv is only part of the FDP before or between flight segments (if any flight segments are actually assigned).
(FDP) means a
period that begins when a flightcrew
member is required to report for duty
with the intention of conducting a
flight, a series of flights, or positioning
or ferrying flights, and ends when the
aircraft is parked after the last flight and
there is no intention for further aircraft
movement by the same flightcrew
member. A flight duty period includes
the duties performed by the flightcrew
member on behalf of the certificate
holder that occur before a flight segment
or between flight segments without a
required intervening rest period.
Examples of tasks that are part of the
flight duty period include deadhead
transportation, training conducted in an
aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/
standby reserve, if the above tasks occur
before a flight segment or between flight
segments without an intervening
required rest period:
I don't think I see the word after in the reg
117.21(b): "Any reserve that meets the definition of airport/standby reserve must be designated as airport/standby reserve. For airport/standby reserve, all time spent in a reserve status is part of the flightcrew member's flight duty period."
I don't see after anywhere in there either.
#1264
sippin' dat koolaid
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From: gear slinger
Correct me if I'm wrong but I am assuming from reading this thread that most of the captains have been with the company 10+ years. Are most middle of the road type captains looking to move on or stay at Mesa for the entirety of their careers? I would imagine most junior captains and all levels of FOs are looking to go to the move on to something else at some point, but I'm just trying to get a feel for the company and the labor group as I have no clue. Thanks in advance.
#1265
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From: South Paw
Correct me if I'm wrong but I am assuming from reading this thread that most of the captains have been with the company 10+ years. Are most middle of the road type captains looking to move on or stay at Mesa for the entirety of their careers? I would imagine most junior captains and all levels of FOs are looking to go to the move on to something else at some point, but I'm just trying to get a feel for the company and the labor group as I have no clue. Thanks in advance.
#1266
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Anybody with a Feb or Beyond anticipated class heard anything concrete?
#1267
Correct me if I'm wrong but I am assuming from reading this thread that most of the captains have been with the company 10+ years. Are most middle of the road type captains looking to move on or stay at Mesa for the entirety of their careers? I would imagine most junior captains and all levels of FOs are looking to go to the move on to something else at some point, but I'm just trying to get a feel for the company and the labor group as I have no clue. Thanks in advance.
Yet a pilot with vacation (7days of vacation)plus 11 days off min. Totaling 18 days off still gets a 78 hr line of flying.
So basically some pilots could have had an additional 7 days off in the month and still come out ahead.
MAG has taken a complete lackadaisical approach to the implementation of 117 and furthermore pilots are growing increasingly frustrated with the secrecy of the E175 program. The initial cadre has been selected for the project. Yet no one knows who has actually gone or how they were selected. Doesn't really matter but the only details company wide being received were from the former VP of Flight ops emails that left much to be desired? Currently CRJ upgrades are merely a trickle.
Middle of the road captains are trying desperately to get out ... But are getting reject letters. Mainline wants any name other than Bob,Steve or Tim etc.
I'm looking to jump based purely off MAG Mgmts. eminating disrespect for me as a professional. To work in an environment that is so self-deprecating is quite exhausting. *

*here comes a statement from prior121
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