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01-23-2014, 03:36 PM
#1241
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J*sus is everyone on reserve? 
I ain't got time for that crap. The new regs and reserve leave a lot Tbd.
I ain't got time for that crap. The new regs and reserve leave a lot Tbd.
01-23-2014, 03:37 PM
#1242
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Let's say you block in 30 minutes early. Now you have an hour sliver of ground time on your schedule prior to an airport reserve block. What are you going to say to an FAA inspector if he asks you why you're sitting airport reserve with an hour break in duty since your last FDP ended (when the aircraft was in the chocks with no intention of further aircraft movement, an HOUR ago?).
I really want to know the answer to this.
I really want to know the answer to this.
01-23-2014, 03:39 PM
#1243
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Sometimes it helps to just pull out the FAR and do a little casual reading. It's only like 20 pages
Also there's this little thing:"(b) Any reserve that meets the definition of airport/standby reserve must be designated as airport/standby reserve. For airport/standby reserve, all time spent in a reserve status is part of the flightcrew member's flight duty period."
See? Easy.
Also there's this little thing:"(b) Any reserve that meets the definition of airport/standby reserve must be designated as airport/standby reserve. For airport/standby reserve, all time spent in a reserve status is part of the flightcrew member's flight duty period."
See? Easy.
01-23-2014, 04:14 PM
#1244
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
What? Do you think your FDP ends on a 3 hour sit? Your FDP is continuous and runs from report time to parking brake set or, in the case of reserve, whenever you time out or are released.
I don't see how they can have me on normal reserve then give me a turn, duty off for 30min, then proceed to have me on 4 hours of ready reserve. That is a NEW FDP.
01-23-2014, 04:55 PM
#1245
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I change my mind. I don't work at Mesa so I don't know what you mean by duty off. If airport reserve was added to your schedule anytime prior to setting the parking brake of your last flight, no matter if it begins 1 minute or 1 hour after your last flight, it is legal provided it doesn't violate your FDP you calculated.
Ex: Your RAP starts at 4am. You are called at 8 am. 14+4 gives you 18 but the rule states you are limited to 16. You must be done at 8pm. So, let's say you are only scheduled for 2 legs and are finished at noon. As long as it was added prior to setting the brake, you can be scheduled for any flight or reserve as long as it ends at 8pm when you must enter rest. So, you could have 3 hours "off" but your clock doesn't reset. You must be put to rest at 8. If the company wants to give you 30 mins off, that's their problem. They don't have to notify you prior to the brake being set but it has to be added to the schedule for it to be legal. If it is not added and you call and there is nothing or you check and there is nothing, any further additions would be illegal as you were put to rest when the plane was parked.
Ex: Your RAP starts at 4am. You are called at 8 am. 14+4 gives you 18 but the rule states you are limited to 16. You must be done at 8pm. So, let's say you are only scheduled for 2 legs and are finished at noon. As long as it was added prior to setting the brake, you can be scheduled for any flight or reserve as long as it ends at 8pm when you must enter rest. So, you could have 3 hours "off" but your clock doesn't reset. You must be put to rest at 8. If the company wants to give you 30 mins off, that's their problem. They don't have to notify you prior to the brake being set but it has to be added to the schedule for it to be legal. If it is not added and you call and there is nothing or you check and there is nothing, any further additions would be illegal as you were put to rest when the plane was parked.
Last edited by CBreezy; 01-23-2014 at 05:13 PM.
01-23-2014, 10:08 PM
#1246
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
As long as it was added prior to setting the brake, you can be scheduled for any flight or reserve as long as it ends at 8pm when you must enter rest. So, you could have 3 hours "off" but your clock doesn't reset.
01-23-2014, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by prior121
I don't see how they can have me on normal reserve then give me a turn, duty off for 30min, then proceed to have me on 4 hours of ready reserve. That is a NEW FDP.
01-24-2014, 01:02 AM
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This seems to corroborate the statutory language that airport reserve, deadheading, and flight sim time are only part of the same FDP when it occurs BEFORE or IN BETWEEN any assigned flight segment. The regulation is very clear that an FDP ENDS (if flying is assigned) when the plane is in the chocks with no intention of further aircraft movement by the same crewmember. From the FAA "Clarification Letter" in the Federal Register regarding the final 117 rule:
"SWAPA asked for clarification about
the type of duty that is part of an FDP.
SWAPA provided the following three
types of duty as examples, and it asked
which of these examples would be part
of an FDP: (1) duty prior to an FDP; (2)
duty after an FDP; and (3) flight training
device duty after an FDP.
The definition of FDP in § 117.3 states
that ‘‘[a] flight duty period includes the
duties performed by the flightcrew
member on behalf of the certificate
holder that occur before a flight segment
or between flight segments without a required
intervening rest period.’’ Thus,
duty that occurs prior to an FDP is part
of that FDP if there is no required
intervening rest period between the
duty and the flight segments that make
up the FDP. Duty that takes place after
an FDP, such as flight training device
duty, is not part of an FDP, as it does
not occur before a flight segment or
between flight segments"
Available here: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rification.pdf
"SWAPA asked for clarification about
the type of duty that is part of an FDP.
SWAPA provided the following three
types of duty as examples, and it asked
which of these examples would be part
of an FDP: (1) duty prior to an FDP; (2)
duty after an FDP; and (3) flight training
device duty after an FDP.
The definition of FDP in § 117.3 states
that ‘‘[a] flight duty period includes the
duties performed by the flightcrew
member on behalf of the certificate
holder that occur before a flight segment
or between flight segments without a required
intervening rest period.’’ Thus,
duty that occurs prior to an FDP is part
of that FDP if there is no required
intervening rest period between the
duty and the flight segments that make
up the FDP. Duty that takes place after
an FDP, such as flight training device
duty, is not part of an FDP, as it does
not occur before a flight segment or
between flight segments"
Available here: http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rification.pdf
01-24-2014, 01:12 AM
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01-24-2014, 01:28 AM
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