Yes, they can deadhead you past the FDP but you could not fly a revenue flight that exceeded the FDP.

 

I disagree. Short call isn't duty. If I sleep in until 9 even though my RAP starts at 4am, I don't think it's bad to be called in to fly until 8pm.

 

Its not a FDP but it does limit your duty day. If your home reserve started at 4am you are limited to 10+4 hours of duty or 16, whichever is less. If you started your home reserve at 8am, it would be 14+4 or 16 hours whichever is less. So you see there is a limitation according to when your home reserve started.

 

So the way I read it, if your home reserve started at 4am, your FDP ends at 6pm. 14 hours.

 

Nope. Look at table B when you get called out for the start of your FDP. Then add 4 hours on to when table B says your max duty day is based on how many legs you fly. This is the total time from when your RAP began that is your max day (not to exceed 16 hours).

 

Ok I get it. I will check when i get a FAR book in hand. Just going off a company email.

 

Ok just read the FAR 117 off the ALPA website and your right. What I wasn't understanding is the way my brain was making it sound with the way it was worded. You cannot exceed the FDP on the chart. Period. I was thinking they could extend your FDP if you were on reserve by 4 hours but it's just a way to shorten your total duty day, if lets say you fall under the 9 hours of FDP on the chart your max day including your RAP can only be 13 hours.

 

You got it

 

Hey!!!!! Lol

 

Airport/Standby Reserve is only part of an FDP if it occurs BEFORE or BETWEEN flight segments within an FDP. It doesn't matter when they assign an airport reserve block--the FDP terminates at the end of the last aircraft movement by the same crewmember.

I have highlighted these terms below. Feel free to read the Clarification Letters and FAA commentary in the rulemaking notice, where the FAA explicitly states that deadheads, airport/standby reserve, and flight simulator duty are only part of the same FDP if they occur BEFORE or BETWEEN flight segments.

If an airport/standby reserve block is on your schedule 1 minute after you block in after a turn, that's a new FDP, and you're starting it without the required 10 hours rest--aka you're violating FAR117.

Everyone needs to get out of the mindset of "legal to start legal to finish"--that no longer exists--it doesn't matter what your schedule looked like when you dutied on--if you underblock an hour, then have a sliver of 1-2 hours in between block-in and a new airport/reserve block, good luck if a Fed asks to see your schedule--you're sitting airport reserve and didn't get 10 hours rest immediately preceeding the time you started it.

"Flight duty period(FDP) means a period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member. A flight duty period includes the duties performed by the flightcrew member on behalf of the certificate holder that occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without a required intervening rest period. Examples of tasks that are part of the flight duty period include deadhead transportation, training conducted in an aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/standby reserve, if the above tasks occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without an intervening required rest period"

I don't see the word after flight segments in the statute--do you?