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Old 08-12-2014 | 09:39 PM
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Blackwing, our class is still waiting on Pilot Lounge too. It's a little frustrating. US Wings is being problematic with the first-time login too...

Oddly, UAL's Skynet - which traditionally gave me the most issues - is working just fine. Go figure.

Regarding Pilot Lounge, can anyone confirm a general time new-hires get access to it? When administration gets around to it? IOE? After IOE?
Old 08-12-2014 | 10:03 PM
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IOE from what I remember
Old 08-13-2014 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by blaine
During my interview I asked about the contract and was told it does not become effective until you pass your checkride.
Yes. I meant the one year mark starts at the beginning of training, however, you're not in the hook until you've completed the checkride.
Old 08-13-2014 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
I think that's standard at all the regionals. The only exception I've heard is the Q400 at Republic, because let's be honest, who wants to go do that?

It's effective from the point you pass your 121 checkride.

With the investment they put into training you, I don't think staying a year is unreasonable. Where else would you go, anyway?
It's effective once you pass ioe.
Old 08-13-2014 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Navmode
It's effective once you pass ioe.
Yep. People always seem to think that passing the checkride is the big deal, but if you've never flown 121 or a jet, IOE is the big deal.

I remember AE had a 30 hour max for IOE. If you weren't cutting it by then you were out. Now some regionals are allowing people to fly 80 hours on IOE...
Old 08-13-2014 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
You "think" wrong!
What regionals do not have a training contract?

Originally Posted by deltajuliet
And Sailor, honestly, if you get an offer from a major it'd be worth it to go and risk the contract. Even if it's enforced you're coming out ahead.
Agreed.

Originally Posted by Bumbaclot
FWIW I hate to say it but being in debt your whole life and then running away from FAA 121 carrier because you have a bright idea to "stick it to the man" and use them can't always be the best way forward. Possibly if you're making 18k a month in china tax free. But hey!
Bumbaclot,

Was trying to figure out how you determined from the posts that anyone is trying to get away with it. The post by deltajuliet is the only way I could see your interpretation. However, I was not trying to figure out how to scam a company and leave shortly afterwards. I have no problem fulfilling my contract. If I leave early, and the company requests recoupment of training fees, then that is what I am obligated to do.

Unless I am mistaken, deltajuliet was saying that the financial risk of breaking contract/paying the debt vs. going to a major, would pay itself off in the long run.

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Reading a few more of the most recent posts leaves me with two more questions:

1- Any idea of how much training costs to pay back, before being prorated?
2- If the training contract doesn't start until the completion of IOE, how long does it typically take from day 1 of training to complete IOE?

Thanks for all the help.
Old 08-13-2014 | 07:48 AM
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GoJet does not have a TA, unless that's changed recently.
Old 08-13-2014 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sevenforseven
Yep. People always seem to think that passing the checkride is the big deal, but if you've never flown 121 or a jet, IOE is the big deal.

I remember AE had a 30 hour max for IOE. If you weren't cutting it by then you were out. Now some regionals are allowing people to fly 80 hours on IOE...
really?

3 jets in already, IOE has never been that big of a deal. day 1 is a $h!t show then by day 4 or 5 you pretty much have assimilated in the collective suck. I've always thought the checkride was far more stressful than IOE ever has been, at least as an FO.
Old 08-13-2014 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by slumav505
really?

3 jets in already, IOE has never been that big of a deal. day 1 is a $h!t show then by day 4 or 5 you pretty much have assimilated in the collective suck. I've always thought the checkride was far more stressful than IOE ever has been, at least as an FO.
Yeah, I'm not saying the checkride isn't stressful, it is (especially the first one). Most of the new FO's that I know were the most stressed out during IOE because of the pace of the operations (especially out of places like O'Hare) and trying to land a 70K + lb aircraft with an approach speed that is faster than the max cruise speed on anything they have flown (most of these guys were cfi's flying 172's).

Of course, there's always the added stress that comes from flying with a complete psychopath who also happens to be your checkairman...
Old 08-13-2014 | 10:15 AM
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So, who's in the October 15th class on the 175? Lets see some hands!
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