StopTheWhipsaw

It appears you were able to secure more flying without concessions. Is this true?

MrMustache

Doesn't Mesa have permanent concessions?

StopTheWhipsaw

Ha! I am surprised they can get pilots at those rates. And an 8 year upgrade? Amazing they are finding 20 a month. But I am amazed they didn't ask for even more to lower the bar even farther. Hopefully Mesa's union will ask for something in exchange to operate a larger RJ.

Next up is XJT. You can be sure they will ask for Mesa rates. We will have to continue to fight for XJT pilots to stand strong.

cardboardbox

Larger RJ? They've been flying the CRJ900 for a lot of years. Payrates will remain the same, guaranteed.

20sx

I don't think it's an 8 year upgrade anymore. They've been upgrading for a while now. They say 350 pilots hired in the news, but the recruiter said (I know, they sometimes exaggerate) 30/month for the next 2 years. Makes sense as pilots start moving on to the majors. I don't think they ever will stop hiring unless there is another industry wide downturn.

FerrisBluer

Fighting real hard on a forum board, and with $12.00 dollar stickers! I'm sending you my money... It's comin it's comin. just messin'

So I guess 900s aren't large RJ's.

BTW

MAGs actively upgrading and now at least with no end in sight. So to you that pretty much means every mesa FO u pass in the hall as of now will upgrade in the next 1 mo. to 1 1/2 years "most likely" and seniority dependent as well.

With the need on 9's7's 2's and now 175's ? Not only being short as the draw back to the upgrades. It could also be the slow dwindling of the PHX op. Or no one showing for class but the later doesn't seem to be happening.

SJS will prevail.

But you're right on 1 thing for sure,

" J.O. those pay rates just have to GO!"

RJ4LIFE

30 per month is going to be quite a challenge, especially since now we are talking about pilots who have been around for a little while (getting their 1500hrs) and have a better idea of what they're getting into when they go to a regional. Regionals can't just recruit fresh commercial pilots right out of college like in the past. Sure there will always be the naive ones lured in by the fancy new e-jets and the promise of quick upgrade, but I think generally the pool of potential pilots is a lot wiser now and will go somewhere based on pay, QOL and an airline's overall reputation. The 1500 hr rule means that pilots have invested more time and money into their career by the time they are eligible to go to a regional and I think they expect more return on investment than Mesa can provide.

MrMustache

How many 900s do you guys have in CLT for Airways?

FerrisBluer

Somewhat Disagree, what your gonna see is more and more of what Mesa is currently getting. The older gentleman who doesn't need the job..however the one that is on a 2nd career has the hours already has the ex wife and doesn't give a rats *ss about any of the typical Regional 12 yr old BS. The one that says "hey that 175/190 type sure would do wonders in China" or the one that says hey I wanna fly a jet and see what it's like? Well that's what Mesa is gonna get and theres plenty of them out there. Short term "what's in it for me" pilots who know and choose to temporarily discard those pay rates.

Which In turn is exactly what J.O. Wants. "Short term pilots."

That plus the quick upgrade "crunching" numbers based on "all the stars aligning" fresh CFI Who says.."look at the time to upgrade, Tina?"

sulkair

And wasn't that exactly what the regional airline was always supposed to be about, I mean from the pilot's perspective? Hours, upgrade, move on! You're right, this is a good thing from management's perspective, and as long as it really works that way, it's not a bad thing for the pilot who wants a quick stepping stone to something better.

What's $hitty about it is the fact that lots of us, like me, get stuck and realize I might actually be AT my career airline. Then the rates and benefits start to matter more. I guarantee you all those girls I saw flow from Mesa to Delta back in 2007/8 couldn't have cared less about pay rates, or any other Mesa thing. They were on the fast track!

The whole idea of a regional airline is a conflict of many interests, and an identity crisis rolled into one. If it were not, it wouldn't be so easy to get played all the time by every party out there.

Management plays us.
Unions play us
We, the pilots, play ourselves and each other!

It's the laws of physics, nature of the beast. Don't like it? Find another beast - i.e. work to construct a whole new paradigm. (good luck with that by the way ) Otherwise keep watching the show.