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12-02-2013, 04:37 PM
#821
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
Originally Posted by Riverside
Quote:
Originally Posted by prior121
"Obviously you need to get your facts straight before you start posting stuff"
Boy, isn't that ironic that you make a comment like that?
Better work rules and pay than Mesa? Well, considering I'm staring at a 12 month upgrade, please explain to me which regional beats $52/hour second year pay?
Do your research on what's happening here before you start running your mouth.
I'd sure rather be here than at a place with a fleet of obsolete 50 seaters. But, go ahead and argue that, I guess we've learned over the last 10 years that 50 seaters are really valuable huh?
No offense, I think all regionals beat your second year.
Originally Posted by prior121
"Obviously you need to get your facts straight before you start posting stuff"
Boy, isn't that ironic that you make a comment like that?
Better work rules and pay than Mesa? Well, considering I'm staring at a 12 month upgrade, please explain to me which regional beats $52/hour second year pay?
Do your research on what's happening here before you start running your mouth.
I'd sure rather be here than at a place with a fleet of obsolete 50 seaters. But, go ahead and argue that, I guess we've learned over the last 10 years that 50 seaters are really valuable huh?
No offense, I think all regionals beat your second year.
12-02-2013, 04:40 PM
#822
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
Originally Posted by skillett
Oh now bull**** upgrade is down to one year. Jeez it's getting thick now. Only TWO Emb 175 will be on property in Aug 14'.
12-02-2013, 06:13 PM
#823
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Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 996
keep chasing that quick upgrade
12-02-2013, 07:25 PM
#824
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
Originally Posted by prior121
Skillet almost everyone on the current seniority list will be able to upgrade by Jan 2015 given they have the time. Ask MK or anyone from the training dept in PHX. they're confirm.
That would be great, if it were true. 20 more CRJ 9 for Airways, I heard it would only be 10. Emb 175's will trickle in. 2 in Aug. 14', 2 more in Oct 14' and so on. 6 total for 2014. I can hold Capt. IAD now but I am holding out for an Emb/IAH base and I'm not the only one. Being one of the more senior FO's I calculated I will not hold the Emb 175 capt till 2015. And I figure IOE captains will be on the Emb 175 all of next year because many of the new hire FO's will need 50-100 hours of IOE. There are also a lot of senior FO's holding out for either a line or their base on the CRJ. With the numbers 26 airplanes, (20 CRJ not 10) for the end of 2014. 26x5=130 new captains. Holding captain statewide, (Hawaii doesn't count) is getting close to the 400 seniority number. Remember some of us holding-out, that can hold it now. Let's just -30 on that. So 370+130=500. Remember attrition gets worse as your seniority moves down. (I dropped 8 numbers all of this last year) I would say at least 250 captains will not move on. They will retire here, and that number could go up.(people get comfortable[no commute/good schedules]or money/family gets in the way) So by the end of 2014 you will have to be around the 500 seniority number to hold captain, IF? we get more CRJ 9 for Airways.
Last edited by skillett; 12-02-2013 at 07:53 PM. Reason: Spelling
12-02-2013, 08:05 PM
#825
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Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: Full Nelson
Posts: 366
I heard KOA is closing? Can anyone confirm this?
12-02-2013, 08:16 PM
#826
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
If mainline picks up there hiring as forecast, there will be movement. But not enough this next year to force even a 2 year upgrade. But for 2016 and on it will get crazy. Upgrades will come fast and furious and hiring will be off the wall. Many of you guys and gals that were hired early 2013 (Prior) should be getting the upgrade nod sometime in 2015. that's still not to damn shabby. (Hawaii not included) Lets all hope that things economically don't change anytime soon. So we can move up that ladder. Because it sucks being stuck at the bottom with someone else's ass in your face.
Last edited by skillett; 12-02-2013 at 08:34 PM. Reason: Analogy
12-02-2013, 08:20 PM
#827
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Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
Originally Posted by VanDriver208
I heard KOA is closing? Can anyone confirm this?
12-02-2013, 08:40 PM
#828
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Posts: 630
Originally Posted by prior121
Skillet almost everyone on the current seniority list will be able to upgrade by Jan 2015 given they have the time. Ask MK or anyone from the training dept in PHX. they're confirm.
Last edited by skillett; 12-02-2013 at 08:53 PM.
12-03-2013, 07:00 AM
#829
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
Originally Posted by skillett
Quote:
Originally Posted by prior121
Skillet almost everyone on the current seniority list will be able to upgrade by Jan 2015 given they have the time. Ask MK or anyone from the training dept in PHX. they're confirm.
That would be great, if it were true. 20 more CRJ 9 for Airways, I heard it would only be 10. Emb 175's will trickle in. 2 in Aug. 14', 2 more in Oct 14' and so on. 6 total for 2014. I can hold Capt. IAD now but I am holding out for an Emb/IAH base and I'm not the only one. Being one of the more senior FO's I calculated I will not hold the Emb 175 capt till 2015. And I figure IOE captains will be on the Emb 175 all of next year because many of the new hire FO's will need 50-100 hours of IOE. There are also a lot of senior FO's holding out for either a line or their base on the CRJ. With the numbers 26 airplanes, (20 CRJ not 10) for the end of 2014. 26x5=130 new captains. Holding captain statewide, (Hawaii doesn't count) is getting close to the 400 seniority number. Remember some of us holding-out, that can hold it now. Let's just -30 on that. So 370+130=500. Remember attrition gets worse as your seniority moves down. (I dropped 8 numbers all of this last year) I would say at least 250 captains will not move on. They will retire here, and that number could go up.(people get comfortable[no commute/good schedules]or money/family gets in the way) So by the end of 2014 you will have to be around the 500 seniority number to hold captain, IF? we get more CRJ 9 for Airways.
Originally Posted by prior121
Skillet almost everyone on the current seniority list will be able to upgrade by Jan 2015 given they have the time. Ask MK or anyone from the training dept in PHX. they're confirm.
That would be great, if it were true. 20 more CRJ 9 for Airways, I heard it would only be 10. Emb 175's will trickle in. 2 in Aug. 14', 2 more in Oct 14' and so on. 6 total for 2014. I can hold Capt. IAD now but I am holding out for an Emb/IAH base and I'm not the only one. Being one of the more senior FO's I calculated I will not hold the Emb 175 capt till 2015. And I figure IOE captains will be on the Emb 175 all of next year because many of the new hire FO's will need 50-100 hours of IOE. There are also a lot of senior FO's holding out for either a line or their base on the CRJ. With the numbers 26 airplanes, (20 CRJ not 10) for the end of 2014. 26x5=130 new captains. Holding captain statewide, (Hawaii doesn't count) is getting close to the 400 seniority number. Remember some of us holding-out, that can hold it now. Let's just -30 on that. So 370+130=500. Remember attrition gets worse as your seniority moves down. (I dropped 8 numbers all of this last year) I would say at least 250 captains will not move on. They will retire here, and that number could go up.(people get comfortable[no commute/good schedules]or money/family gets in the way) So by the end of 2014 you will have to be around the 500 seniority number to hold captain, IF? we get more CRJ 9 for Airways.
Most junior mainline capt is high 400's I'm low 600s.
I think your math is a little off.
Time will tell.
But more importantly.. What is your bench at these days?
12-03-2013, 07:46 AM
#830
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: South Paw
Posts: 630
Originally Posted by prior121
2 175's a month starting in June. 20 900's this spring.
Most junior mainline capt is high 400's I'm low 600s.
I think your math is a little off.
Time will tell.
But more importantly.. What is your bench at these days?
Most junior mainline capt is high 400's I'm low 600s.
I think your math is a little off.
Time will tell.
But more importantly.. What is your bench at these days?
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