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11-28-2014 | 10:49 PM
#4291
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I'm thinking 3-5 years upgrade time for the most junior folks flying the line right now, and 5+ years for anyone just now starting class.
11-28-2014 | 10:56 PM
#4292
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Even with a modest 8/mo attrition, upgrade for a new hire assuming every single pilot ahead of him took the upgrade, would be 2.5 years based on attrition alone. Factor in another 50-60 ejet upgrades for growth and you are looking at 2 years or less for a new hire now.
Factor in that 3/4 pilots hired in the last year were from a CFI background and most will not hit 1000 hours 121 SIC until about a year and a half into their career, 2 years can easily be 1.5 years.
11-28-2014 | 11:23 PM
#4294
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Cool story brah...
Newsflash: all the regionals suck, JO isn't the only CEO who wishes he could replace FOs with monkeys.
We are contract employees to the majors and the cheapest bidder gets the flying. Hmm I bet a monkey would be cheaper than me. I think YOU and a lot of people forget that.
Look what happened to Comair, look what's happening to Eagle. I commend them for standing up for the industry but we aren't mainline pilots and we don't have the leverage (mainline) pilots have. If we get too expensive we're gone. Period.
Heck I wish we could put vending machines in the back and that FA pay could be tacked onto my pay. Just sayin'
Enjoy your failing 125 operation.
Newsflash: all the regionals suck, JO isn't the only CEO who wishes he could replace FOs with monkeys.
We are contract employees to the majors and the cheapest bidder gets the flying. Hmm I bet a monkey would be cheaper than me. I think YOU and a lot of people forget that.
Look what happened to Comair, look what's happening to Eagle. I commend them for standing up for the industry but we aren't mainline pilots and we don't have the leverage (mainline) pilots have. If we get too expensive we're gone. Period.
Heck I wish we could put vending machines in the back and that FA pay could be tacked onto my pay. Just sayin'
Enjoy your failing 125 operation.
You keep repeating the same thing ad nauseam, but the truth is some regionals suck less than others. If people would quit flocking to the worst of them(and most know who those are), the worst offenders would be forced to raise their pay and benefits to continue to operate. This would also benefit the whole industry since management at the better regionals would no longer be able to point to the bottom feeders as an argument against being able to increase pay and benefits at the "better" regionals.
Maybe, just maybe, we could actually look forward to stopping the continual slide in pay and benefits. Professional pilots should not be able to qualify for food stamps!
11-29-2014 | 06:20 AM
#4297
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You keep repeating the same thing ad nauseam, but the truth is some regionals suck less than others. If people would quit flocking to the worst of them(and most know who those are), the worst offenders would be forced to raise their pay and benefits to continue to operate. This would also benefit the whole industry since management at the better regionals would no longer be able to point to the bottom feeders as an argument against being able to increase pay and benefits at the "better" regionals.
Maybe, just maybe, we could actually look forward to stopping the continual slide in pay and benefits. Professional pilots should not be able to qualify for food stamps!
You keep repeating the same thing ad nauseam, but the truth is some regionals suck less than others. If people would quit flocking to the worst of them(and most know who those are), the worst offenders would be forced to raise their pay and benefits to continue to operate. This would also benefit the whole industry since management at the better regionals would no longer be able to point to the bottom feeders as an argument against being able to increase pay and benefits at the "better" regionals.
Maybe, just maybe, we could actually look forward to stopping the continual slide in pay and benefits. Professional pilots should not be able to qualify for food stamps!
Kick rocks bro...
We get it, you don't like Mesa. You don't work here and this place isn't the same place it was in 2008.
Go play in the XJT or the wherever you work forums.
11-29-2014 | 06:42 AM
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First off, the superlative of stupid, is most stupid. Not stupidest.
So this is "The most stupid post you've ever read."
Secondly, your trying to tell me it would be cheaper for mainline to take flying back?
A mainline crew has less labor costs than a regional crew for the same aircraft? Righhhht.
I personally know of three college students who are in ground school here right now fresh out of Purdue.
I know of another two who are freshman in an aviation program.
Carry on.
So this is "The most stupid post you've ever read."
Secondly, your trying to tell me it would be cheaper for mainline to take flying back?
A mainline crew has less labor costs than a regional crew for the same aircraft? Righhhht.
I personally know of three college students who are in ground school here right now fresh out of Purdue.
I know of another two who are freshman in an aviation program.
Carry on.
To your second point, pilot costs are a very small percentage of the CASM. These next 5 years will be very interesting for the regionals because there simply are not enough chairs when the music stops. Mesa is a step ahead of many.
11-29-2014 | 06:45 AM
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I wish I knew who you were so I could call my friends & former co-workers at legacies/FDX/Emirates/etc. to make sure your horrible attitude never makes its way into one of their cockpits (I'm sure it won't anyways, given the 'tude you're expressing here at your first 121 job).
11-29-2014 | 08:04 AM
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Believe it or not flying is coming back to the mainline, both DAL and UAL. The last few years the UAX operation has accounted for a large number of customer complaints. DAL has already parked a bunch of RJ's and replaced them with 717's. UAL is increasing block hours on the 319/320, and 737 fleets to replace UAX flying. UAL management is actively pursuing an aircraft to bridge the gap between the E175's and the 319/737, and no we will not be giving them any relief on that.
To your second point, pilot costs are a very small percentage of the CASM. These next 5 years will be very interesting for the regionals because there simply are not enough chairs when the music stops. Mesa is a step ahead of many.
You're talking about flying being taken back by mainline, which is being done.
I'm talking about regional flying being shifted from higher costing labor groups to cheaper ones.
Here's a few examples:
Comair flying to GoJet.
American Eagle flying to PSA.
Mesa being awarded new flying. (No denying we're dirt cheap, especially compared to wholly owned Regionals.)
TSA CRJ700s to GoJet for cheaper labor costs.
ETC.
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