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Old 07-16-2015 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
That's kind of my point. If we take what they give us (and if FFD carriers take what they can get to gain contracts from daddy mainline at bottom dollar and razor thin margins), we will be around for a bit longer than if we take a unified stance against poverty for pilots (ie current regional picture across the board, even for the "good" ones) and vote down embarrassing contracts. This will accelerate the ultimate demise of the regional industry as it is today (which is overdue IMO as mainline is out of bankruptcy mode and into record profit mode). Regional/FFD airlines still operate in bankruptcy mode. The day every regional in existence today goes BK or is bought by mainline can't come soon enough.

I don't care if we price the regionals out of the picture sooner rather than later and force mainline to absorb the flying that they should be doing anyway. Southwest is (or started as) a regional that flies 737s and pays pilots ok. Works for them. We have allowed mainline to fly routes/frequencies they otherwise couldn't for as cheap as we can do it. Labor cost is one of the reasons we are able to do it. At some point in this broken regional model, labor prices will have to go up, and outsourcing will end for a large chunk of the flying that exists today (ie the shrinkage you speak of). If ALPA really cared about regionals, they would have made that stance long ago and fought the growth and proliferation of the FFDs.

But it's not just ALPA, it's also us pilots, who are our own worst enemy and don't hold the line hard enough. We always take care of our own short term interests and stab each other in the back and take concessionary contracts to get more flying or whatever, because it benefits us and could help accelerate our move to a career airline.

But, with a surplus of pilots (which there currently is), and enough of us willing to work for poverty wages (and lateral move etc), I'm wasting my thumb strokes. Not enough regional pilots will fight to earn what we are worth, bc we are convinced it's a temporary job and things will get better. And that's what we have been used to for the last decade plus as RJs became more prolific. We are the beaten wife in the whole beaten wife analogy, but are used to it and expect nothing more. JO will fill classes paying people less than they made as a 250 hour CFI. And when he can't, he will throw a few bucks at candidates, enough to staff at the bare minimum level.
You laid out the issues quite well. The problem is that not all regionals are ALPA and one of the biggest regional airlines, Skywest, has a pseudo union with no RLA protection. And as you say, pilots are their own worst enemy. The only good that taking a stance against the likes of JO will be to benefit the regional lifers, because taking a stance has proven that with XJT and Envoy. Regional growth is close to its peak and the only reason regionals are hiring is, for the most part, attrition. The majors, DL/UA/AA are all hiring 100+ per month. FDX, SWA, etc are hiring a bunch too and a lot of the hiring is coming from the regionals. Regional management could push for better paying CPA's, but none are out there. There is no leverage at the regionals for the pilots to stand on because a majority of the pilots see the bigger picture and simply want to get their time and get out. I have a feeling that ALPA sees this too. No doubt ALPA will do what it can, but that is all.
Old 07-17-2015 | 03:43 PM
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On the roster, there are a number of names in red sporadically throughout the document. What does it mean?
Old 07-17-2015 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RV5M
On the roster, there are a number of names in red sporadically throughout the document. What does it mean?
Changes after the initial publish
Old 07-17-2015 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sennant
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Ah. Thanks
Old 07-17-2015 | 07:27 PM
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The roster doesn't reflect this month's standing bid award.
Old 07-17-2015 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackwing
The roster doesn't reflect this month's standing bid award.
They updated it today. A day late. Would have been nice to have it before submitting my bid.
Old 07-17-2015 | 09:42 PM
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It's still not accurate.
Old 07-17-2015 | 09:52 PM
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It's still not accurate.
Shocking. But the majority of the latest standing bid results look fairly accurate. After your post I rechecked it. Most of the upgrades are there and most of the PHX moves look right.
Old 07-17-2015 | 09:55 PM
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Heh. It was updated after my post two hours ago.
Old 07-18-2015 | 09:23 PM
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Ok, so best new gate agent DFW gate agent story I have heard so far.

So apparently today in DFW a gate agent let pax down to a Mesa aircraft. There was just one problem, NO CREW on the plane. The pax then sat on the aircraft for 20 minuets before the crew showed up and the gate agent was then very confused.

Talk about a security nightmare. Carry on.
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