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06-08-2015, 08:55 AM
#8291
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
LOL at all the chest-thumping new hires talking about their aviation experience in here.
06-08-2015, 09:00 AM
#8292
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
On a slightly related note, from the EJet new hires I've flown with, I'm starting to feel like the 1,500 hour rule should be ammended as follows:
1) Set the bar at 2,500 hours TT, except:
2) Give 3x to 5x credit for any 91/135/121 turbine PIC or any military hours (including rotor)
3) Give 2x to 3x credit for 91/121 turbine SIC
4) Give 1.5 to 2x credit for CFI dual given
Or something like the above. In retrospect--now that I'm flying with new hires in the right seat on a daily basis--it was a highly irrational decision for the final rule to quantify all flight time as equal. While I understand the restricted ATP provides credit for slightly more rigorous training, the idea that all 1,500 hours are the same is absolutely absurd.
1) Set the bar at 2,500 hours TT, except:
2) Give 3x to 5x credit for any 91/135/121 turbine PIC or any military hours (including rotor)
3) Give 2x to 3x credit for 91/121 turbine SIC
4) Give 1.5 to 2x credit for CFI dual given
Or something like the above. In retrospect--now that I'm flying with new hires in the right seat on a daily basis--it was a highly irrational decision for the final rule to quantify all flight time as equal. While I understand the restricted ATP provides credit for slightly more rigorous training, the idea that all 1,500 hours are the same is absolutely absurd.
06-08-2015, 09:04 AM
#8293
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
On a slightly related note, from the EJet new hires I've flown with, I'm starting to feel like the 1,500 hour rule should be ammended as follows:
1) Set the bar at 2,500 hours TT, except:
2) Give 3x to 5x credit for turbine PIC or military hours (including rotor)
3) Give 2x to 3x credit for 135 PIC
4) Give 1.5 to 2x credit for CFI dual given
Or something like the above. In retrospect--now that I'm flying with new hires in the right seat on a daily basis--it was a highly irrational decision for the final rule to quantify all flight time as equal. While I understand the restricted ATP provides credit for slightly more rigorous training, the idea that all 1,500 hours are the same is absolutely absurd.
1) Set the bar at 2,500 hours TT, except:
2) Give 3x to 5x credit for turbine PIC or military hours (including rotor)
3) Give 2x to 3x credit for 135 PIC
4) Give 1.5 to 2x credit for CFI dual given
Or something like the above. In retrospect--now that I'm flying with new hires in the right seat on a daily basis--it was a highly irrational decision for the final rule to quantify all flight time as equal. While I understand the restricted ATP provides credit for slightly more rigorous training, the idea that all 1,500 hours are the same is absolutely absurd.
06-08-2015, 09:04 AM
#8294
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
On a slightly related note, from the EJet new hires I've flown with, I'm starting to feel like the 1,500 hour rule should be ammended as follows:
1) Set the bar at 2,500 hours TT, except:
2) Give 3x to 5x credit for any 91/135/121 turbine PIC or any military hours (including rotor)
3) Give 2x to 3x credit for 91/121 turbine SIC
4) Give 1.5 to 2x credit for CFI dual given
Or something like the above. In retrospect--now that I'm flying with new hires in the right seat on a daily basis--it was a highly irrational decision for the final rule to quantify all flight time as equal. While I understand the restricted ATP provides credit for slightly more rigorous training, the idea that all 1,500 hours are the same is absolutely absurd.
1) Set the bar at 2,500 hours TT, except:
2) Give 3x to 5x credit for any 91/135/121 turbine PIC or any military hours (including rotor)
3) Give 2x to 3x credit for 91/121 turbine SIC
4) Give 1.5 to 2x credit for CFI dual given
Or something like the above. In retrospect--now that I'm flying with new hires in the right seat on a daily basis--it was a highly irrational decision for the final rule to quantify all flight time as equal. While I understand the restricted ATP provides credit for slightly more rigorous training, the idea that all 1,500 hours are the same is absolutely absurd.
06-08-2015, 09:16 AM
#8295
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by logic1
"The more you read" ??????
It just happened. How much could you have read?
What are the facts? You don't know and the media surely doesn't know either! Typical.
It just happened. How much could you have read?
What are the facts? You don't know and the media surely doesn't know either! Typical.
06-08-2015, 09:46 AM
#8296
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 774
Originally Posted by ScottyDo
No help for the 4 year aviation degree eh? Flight hours are not the issue its quality of training. And just to through a wrench in the military turbine pic time thing lol. A guy in my class in his 50s who flew for the Cuban Air Force took 5 months to pass IOE. Where someone like me only with 1,000 hours with no turbine experience at all only took 26 hours to get off IOE.
06-08-2015, 10:05 AM
#8297
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by Navmode
Because having a degree in aviation has anything to do with flying skills and decision making ability?
06-08-2015, 10:18 AM
#8298
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 66
Originally Posted by ScottyDo
Not at all, you have to look at it from a airlines "disaster" point of view. If something were to go wrong and it was all over the news which would look better? A 3 month ATP wonder pilot with only a high school diploma? Or someone who has a degree or a degree in the filed of which they work that gained all if they're flight experience in a structured 141 college training environment.
And they're? You mean their?
Comon bro
Aviation degrees are worthless. At least my degree allows me to have a successful side business.
06-08-2015, 10:29 AM
#8299
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by Lavdumper
You mean a degree in the "field"? That degree really taught you to spell and proof read eh?
And they're? You mean their?
Comon bro
Aviation degrees are worthless. At least my degree allows me to have a successful side business.
And they're? You mean their?
Comon bro
Aviation degrees are worthless. At least my degree allows me to have a successful side business.
06-08-2015, 10:35 AM
#8300
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
And at least I'm not on here talking **** about our newly upgraded captains as a new FO who just got off IOE. FNG
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