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Old 12-16-2014, 05:15 PM
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I don't see the big deal...either you can fly the sim after 25-30 hours to ATP standards or you can't. Most DPEs and check airman would let a 150 foot deviation in altitude slide.

If the training department is willing to give a extra sim or two, to help people get through, and people are still busting rides, it's not a training department problem IMO.
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Old 12-16-2014, 05:20 PM
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I'm assuming if a 121 or a 135 guy goes to Mesa, and has a good attitude, they shouldn't have an issue?
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Originally Posted by Kprc1














Are you saying that's it's only the 2nd career types that have slipped thru training that are "p*ss poor"?
I've met some of those guys. I've also met some of these young guys with restricted ATP's with no real flying experience.
I'll take the more experienced pilot than a snot nose kid who doesn't know jack.
Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. The 1000 hr R-ATPs 23 year olds straight from instructing are much better than the 55 year olds who have 1500 hours of C-152 time over the course of 20 years.


Just repeating what the CKA I talk to tell me.
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Originally Posted by MartinC08
I'm assuming if a 121 or a 135 guy goes to Mesa, and has a good attitude, they shouldn't have an issue?

No, you actually have to be competent and try.
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Old 12-16-2014, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by prior121
Yes. That is exactly what I'm saying. The 1000 hr R-ATPs 23 year olds straight from instructing are much better than the 55 year olds who have 1500 hours of C-152 time over the course of 20 years.


Just repeating what the CKA I talk to tell me.
I haven't met a 55 y/o 152 pilot yet. I think you're exaggerating. There were a couple older guys in the class but they resigned before sim or during the first module.
Age doesn't matter as long as they're a good stick and have good decision making skills.
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it's not the 20 year olds having issues, but the 45-55 year olds? Is that a real shocker?
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No, you actually have to be competent and try.
That's what I meant. Most 121/135 guys who try and are competent get through right?
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[QUOTE=MartinC08;1785030]it's not the 20 year olds having issues, but the 45-55 year olds? Is that a real shocker?[/QUOTE

Age isn't the issue.
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[QUOTE=Kprc1;1785034]
Originally Posted by MartinC08
it's not the 20 year olds having issues, but the 45-55 year olds? Is that a real shocker?[/QUOTE

Age isn't the issue.
Is it a training department issue? Or pilots aren't competent issue?
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Originally Posted by MartinC08
it's not the 20 year olds having issues, but the 45-55 year olds? Is that a real shocker?
Unless you work in the training department you really don't know. IT has peaked my curiosity though.
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