FaceBiten

That was for facebiter, not you.

qazWSX

Hey mods, how many votes in how much time does it take to ban Facebiter from the forum? He's a troll and you know it.

flapshalfspeed

I hate it when people refer to private at-will employees as being "f'd over."

F'd over implies the employees at those regionals were owed something. The only thing my employer owes me is the pay I am due for the pay credits I have worked per our CBA. They do not owe me a job, a line, or a Captain slot.

On the other hand, I do not owe Mesa anything more than what I am legally required to do per the CBA/company policies/procedures to earn my pay--nothing more, nothing less.

If someone feels they have been "f'd over" they have the option to make a lateral transfer to another regional or go work in another industry that meets their desired QOL/pay/schedule.

If all pilots adopted this very cynical viewpoint on what it is we do as regional pilots, and removed emotions from the situation, you'd see way fewer people like FaceBiter in here wasting time and emotional energy trolling a bunch of Mesa pilots b/c he's sad his career moves didn't work out the way ours did.

tinman1

100% agree. I was referring to them believing everything the recruiters said and buying into a lie only to be let down. That's the way the world works though.

CBreezy

And that's where I disagree. I think if an employer is making incredible profits off the hard work and dedication of a highly skilled work force, it owes its work force a reward in better wages and benefits. This is true considering the FO wage is, especially at Mesa, abysmal. The amount of money paid is not commeserate with the individual investment by the employee. I'm not naive enough to believe that a first officer with no airline experience should make 100k a year like some think. I do, however, believe that a labor group should strive to better the lives of those that come after them as a testimate to the effort made to make your corporation profitable. At the very least, strive to be average.

It is up to you how you get it done. It honestly doesn't affect me if you don't want to make your contract better as I will never choose employment for that clown or Bedford. I'm just giving an opinion on a public message board. If you don't want the opinions of your industry peers, create your own exclusive message board. Until then, for every person that says "def come to Mesa bro," I'll be here to give them a realistic picture of the situation. It isn't fair to people who don't know the industry to not give them that. There are at least 3 other companies that promise what Mesa has with better pay and work rules. That is a fact.

Darant

How has Mesa hired a bunch of regional lifers? Most the guys in my class were in their 20's. Are you educated on the statistics for Major retirements over the next 10 years? Clearly not. The Majors dont care where you get that experience. Thats why this infighting among regional guys is so stupid. All we are doing is checking off some boxes for our resume.

Side question, why are you so bitter? Again, I realize this is how you get off as a person, you sit on a fourm baiting people to respond to you. This furthers my impression that you are a single guy sitting in your underwear, at home, by yourself, with nothing better to do. Leave the Mesa forum. You contribute nothing. This is a professional forum for people with questions about Mesa.

24/48

Mesa may be getting 50 seaters in the future as there is still a market for them. But as of right now Mesa only has 1 50 seater and the rest are 70/76 seaters, a large percentage of which are less than 10 years old, for both AAG and UAL with more of those to come.

TSA is a getting some extremely used XJT 50 seaters.

Oil is coming down which does make the CASM on the 50 seater better, but have you seen improvements for the PAX on those 50 seaters? At UAL we are adding wi-fi to all CR7 and EJET aircraft, nothing for the 50 seaters. My guess is because they are not in the long term fleet plan at UAL, but hey congrats on the upgrade!

Navmode

I'm pretty sure no one in this thread is trying to convince anyone to come here.

prior121

Not me brah, zero checkride failures, perfect background, bachelors degree from a well respected big 10 school...

Think of me at mainline when you're sitting in that 200 waiting for that upgrade at Skywest.

CBreezy

Fact: 50 seat aircraft will be around for at least another decade. They most definitely won't be in the large numbers we see now, but they will continue to be profitable.

Fact: Anyone who uses 50-seaters as a long term plan is not a smart person. That being said, the people who run airlines, while disliked, are not dumb...especially if they survived 2001-2008. You can sit here and pretend to know what "the industry" is doing, but in reality, you have no clue. Neither do I. No one really knows what discussions people are having behind closed doors in Chicago or Dallas. Especially at a private company. If I owned an airline though? I wouldn't be setting myself to lose everything.