Mesa
01-09-2015 | 07:15 PM
#5351
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Re: putting you on reserve after a pairing, they put you on "FDP" status to the Table B max rather than release you. This keeps the FDP clock running in case they want to add flying.
01-10-2015 | 12:07 AM
#5352
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Exactly. And thanks for the input sulk. Remind me what CDO is again?
01-10-2015 | 04:09 AM
#5354
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CDO---continuous duty overnight. Some people love these. If you live in base, you sorta have a life at home when flying these. Same goes for reserve once you get a little senior.
01-10-2015 | 04:14 AM
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Mesa
Correct me if I'm wrong... But just because they keep your FDP clock running, you have no obligation to answer the phone if they call. If you finish your last leg on your last day, with 6 hours remaining on your FDP, and 15 minutes after block in you've heard nothing you're free.
You're not on reserve, and according to 117 you can't be put back on reserve until you've been given 10 hours rest. Some guys don't agree and they consider themselves on the hook for the remainder of the day, sit at the airport, missing all their flights home for the day. I don't think that's right.
You're not on reserve, and according to 117 you can't be put back on reserve until you've been given 10 hours rest. Some guys don't agree and they consider themselves on the hook for the remainder of the day, sit at the airport, missing all their flights home for the day. I don't think that's right.
01-10-2015 | 05:33 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong... But just because they keep your FDP clock running, you have no obligation to answer the phone if they call. If you finish your last leg on your last day, with 6 hours remaining on your FDP, and 15 minutes after block in you've heard nothing you're free.
You're not on reserve, and according to 117 you can't be put back on reserve until you've been given 10 hours rest. Some guys don't agree and they consider themselves on the hook for the remainder of the day, sit at the airport, missing all their flights home for the day. I don't think that's right.
You're not on reserve, and according to 117 you can't be put back on reserve until you've been given 10 hours rest. Some guys don't agree and they consider themselves on the hook for the remainder of the day, sit at the airport, missing all their flights home for the day. I don't think that's right.
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01-10-2015 | 06:17 AM
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If your a line holder you don't have to answer your phone. If your a reserve pilot, anytime you are on FDP you must be reachable to be assigned flying. Even after you just flew. FDP is also regular reserve (90 min) and the new 117 rules allow for additional assignments for reserve pilots even after they have flown earlier in the day. They do not allow ready reserve after flying though. The FAA had even clairified this early on. It is what it is. I was not happy with the FAA's interpretation of it but unless you want to take it to court, this is what they say it is.
I am currently a reserve pilot. My understanding, as well as my company's understanding at this point is that once you operate "with intent to fly" or some such wording and then you block in with no further flying assigned you are done......period. 10 hours rest required, have a nice day.
I find it hard to believe my company missed such a potentially meaningful interpretation, especially since they have gone off and running with the FAA's interpretation of FDP limits being extendable.
01-10-2015 | 06:21 AM
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Do you have a link to this interpretation?
I am currently a reserve pilot. My understanding, as well as my company's understanding at this point is that once you operate "with intent to fly" or some such wording and then you block in with no further flying assigned you are done......period. 10 hours rest required, have a nice day.
I find it hard to believe my company missed such a potentially meaningful interpretation, especially since they have gone off and running with the FAA's interpretation of FDP limits being extendable.
I am currently a reserve pilot. My understanding, as well as my company's understanding at this point is that once you operate "with intent to fly" or some such wording and then you block in with no further flying assigned you are done......period. 10 hours rest required, have a nice day.
I find it hard to believe my company missed such a potentially meaningful interpretation, especially since they have gone off and running with the FAA's interpretation of FDP limits being extendable.
01-10-2015 | 06:25 AM
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Mesa
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
There is also this one. Question 7 is pertinent to this discussion:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
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There is also this one. Question 7 is pertinent to this discussion:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
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01-10-2015 | 06:44 AM
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http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
There is also this one. Question 7 is pertinent to this discussion:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
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There is also this one. Question 7 is pertinent to this discussion:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
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That being said, if they "keep you" it is considered FDP, if this was done on a daily basis say giving a reserve an out and back and NOT releasing him they would run into cumulative FDP limits pretty quickly.
Unfortunately the FAA continues to water down 117 with quite a few garbage interpretations in favor of companies instead of pilots.
This one is particularly disturbing, and is already being taken advantage of by my company....
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...rpretation.pdf
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