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01-29-2015 | 10:59 PM
#5911
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I for one am overwhelmingly in favor of this requirement, and I think they should be way more restrictive (Mesa's reqs are less restrictive than any regional I am aware of). You have absolutely zero business being in command of an airliner with only 1,000 hours of 121 time and nothing else but 1,500 hours in a prop plane/CFIing. You haven't had your ass handed to you enough times, and you haven't had enough time to really, truly develop the instincts/self-knowledge required to be in that seat.
And honestly, if you think you're ready to be a Captain on an EJet/700/900 after 1 year of flying 121--with no other similar experience whatsoever--you're just going to hurt your career in the long-run. Taking command at that level of experience puts you at a much higher risk of accidents, incidents, and violations. How are you going to take the controls from a new hire FO when the plane slips over to the edge of the runway in a 35 knot xwind gust--with any authority--when you're basically still a new hire yourself? And have never landed in a 35 knot crosswind in a jet yourself?
Put a guy on reserve in PHX for 1-year (ppl are holding it out of new hire now), throw him in a left seat exactly 1,000 hours later, and he's done what? Maybe 1 landing on a contaminated runway? Maybe 3-5 approaches at the end of a max FDP in blowing snow at 1600 RVR at night? Maybe a handful of diversions/holds where he actually had to pay attention to his fuel status? How many go-arounds/real emergency situations has he ecountered? One? Zero?
I'm terrified of the current experience level at which Mesa allows people to upgrade--let's not go any lower.
*brofist*
01-29-2015 | 11:18 PM
#5912
Chief Engineer
Joined: Aug 2014
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From: CRJ FO
Mesa
Haha get this, so according to FaceBiter on another thread our IAH flying is "on thin ice". What the expert he is.
01-29-2015 | 11:55 PM
#5913
Living the Dream
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Sample calculation--let's say you came in with:
250 hrs multi-PIC
0 hours prior 121 SIC
0 hours 135(k) turbine PIC or military PIC
...then, you fly 1,000 hours SIC for Mesa.
Per the bare minimum updated FARs (121.436), you essentially just need your ATP + 1,000 hours SIC/PIC in 121 ops. Military turb PIC & 135(k) turbine PIC (>19 seats) counts towards your 1,000 hours.
However, per Mesa's CBA (as currently enforced by mgmt/union) you need 250 more hours PIC (or 500 more hours SIC).
250 hrs multi-PIC
0 hours prior 121 SIC
0 hours 135(k) turbine PIC or military PIC
...then, you fly 1,000 hours SIC for Mesa.
Per the bare minimum updated FARs (121.436), you essentially just need your ATP + 1,000 hours SIC/PIC in 121 ops. Military turb PIC & 135(k) turbine PIC (>19 seats) counts towards your 1,000 hours.
However, per Mesa's CBA (as currently enforced by mgmt/union) you need 250 more hours PIC (or 500 more hours SIC).
And while we're on the topic, suppose a pilot comes in with a Restricted ATP right at 1000 hours. Somebody told me they need 1500 hours + the 1000 SIC to upgrade, essentially meaning they'd have to remain an FO until 2500 TT. However, reading the regs my interpretation is simply "1000 hours SIC" in a 121 environment, meaning they could hypothetically upgrade at 2000 hours TT. Could anyone shed light?
01-30-2015 | 02:06 AM
#5915
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Either you need to recheck the captain qual worksheet or the company needs to change the worksheet on pilot lounge if it's outdated bc your info is inconsistent with what's on there. And no 1000sic doesn't satisfy the " (3) Total PIC: Must be equal to or greater than 1,000 per Mesa CBA" requirement when it clearly says .5 credit for SIC hours towards that requirement. Pilot lounge/bidding hub/captain qual worksheet. What am I missing? If it's a CBA thing it's not something that can just be arbitrarily dropped, right?
-2500 total time (1500+1000=2500, right?)
-1000 121 sic
-1000 TOTAL PIC (not to be confused with 135/91(k) multi engine pic which is a separate box.)
If you read it again, you'll see that of the five boxes, three criteria must be met.
01-30-2015 | 05:06 AM
#5916
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Joined: Mar 2013
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From: 175 Left
I just heard a new hire on reserve complaining about not having upgraded yet. The guys is like a September hire....
Then this clown goes onto talking about how he's almost at 2k total time and soon will be competitive for getting hired at United.
Needless to say I'm not visiting the crew rooms anymore.
Last edited by prior121; 01-30-2015 at 05:45 AM.
01-30-2015 | 05:13 AM
#5917
Line Holder
Joined: Dec 2014
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From: Retired Marine
Anyone know what the junior captain date of hire is on the e jet?
01-30-2015 | 05:13 AM
#5918
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Joined: Mar 2013
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From: 175 Left
Put a guy on reserve in PHX for 1-year (ppl are holding it out of new hire now), throw him in a left seat exactly 1,000 hours later, and he's done what? Maybe 1 landing on a contaminated runway? Maybe 3-5 approaches at the end of a max FDP in blowing snow at 1600 RVR at night? Maybe a handful of diversions/holds where he actually had to pay attention to his fuel status? How many go-arounds/real emergency situations has he ecountered? One? Zero?
I'm terrified of the current experience level at which Mesa allows people to upgrade--let's not go any lower.
I cringe(d) every time I had to fly with one of those 7 year PHX FO to 3 month IAD CAs because they just don't have the experience of deicing, winter ops, RVRs, etc.
You could tell the entire trip, (especially if there was weather) they were barely keeping their head above water.
This upgrade who had spent his whole time in PHX told me he had shot an approach maybe twice in the last two years in PHX system.
Another had zero understanding of reduced takeoff mins.
01-30-2015 | 05:51 AM
#5920
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined: Jun 2013
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From: gear slinger
I mean how could you question a guy who has no life and lives in his parents basement feverishly away posting on APC?
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