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air101 05-15-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NVUS (Post 1643827)
I'm being told that Mesa's 175s are sitting in PHX right now, and parked in a way that would make you believe they are being stored. Shouldn't they be out doing proving runs? Training? 30 days to go, JO. Tick...tick...tick[/

Certified 7 weeks ahead of schedule so not a lot to do now.

Skywest had trouble getting 900's on their certificate as well. I'm sure if they put in enough hours they'll get the 175's done.

The 175's have been certified, weeks ago.

CSD2000 05-15-2014 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 1643999)
That's my point. You can make your mouth say anything, but reading a persons body language speaks volumes. Better to catch them before you put them out on line. Scary stuff.

What do current Mesa pilots think of this practice?

I think 70 days of initial is plenty of time to see if they blink their eyes too fast under pressure.

tinman1 05-15-2014 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by Banditopilot (Post 1644035)
Thanks for the pm's on Mesa. Some of you folks that posted here sure argue a lot..lol

Welcome to APC! Many a disgruntled regional pilot have trolled through these forums taking any below the belt shot they can get. I'm all but convinced that some folks here live and breathe to talk sh*t about other regionals, and right now Mesa is the primary target for such tomfoolery.

Westerner 05-15-2014 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 1643999)
That's my point. You can make your mouth say anything, but reading a persons body language speaks volumes. Better to catch them before you put them out on line. Scary stuff.

What do current Mesa pilots think of this practice?

What? You can use non-verbal communication to judge someone's character? Might be time for a self evaluation.

Navmode 05-15-2014 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by air101 (Post 1643933)
So its a waste of money to ensure your pilots are properly trained before flying around paying passengers?

So when united hires 737/a320 FOs, do you think they fly empty airplanes around until they get good? What planet do you live on?

saturn 05-15-2014 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by Navmode (Post 1644109)
So when united hires 737/a320 FOs, do you think they fly empty airplanes around until they get good? What planet do you live on?

You dont understand the argument. One of the two pilots should always be someone with some basic time flying the airplane. The check airmen are ones getting this training in the actual airplane. That way while they teach new CPs from the right seat its not new for both with folks in the back. This is not an FO argument, as the captains should have flown and logged several trips before the FOs get off IOE to avoid green on green. And yes, when UA gets a new type they fly it outside the sim part 91 too.

air101 05-15-2014 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by saturn (Post 1644116)
You dont understand the argument. One of the two pilots should always be someone with some basic time flying the airplane. The check airmen are ones getting this training in the actual airplane. That way while they teach new CPs from the right seat its not new for both with folks in the back. This is not an FO argument, as the captains should have flown and logged several trips before the FOs get off IOE to avoid green on green. And yes, when UA gets a new type they fly it outside the sim part 91 too.

Finally, someone intelligent enough to understand. I see Mesa's hiring requirements are weeding out the 'smart' ones. lol

rcfd13 05-15-2014 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Navmode (Post 1644109)
So when united hires 737/a320 FOs, do you think they fly empty airplanes around until they get good? What planet do you live on?

I think what he was saying is that Skywest is flying around empty planes with Captain/Captain pairs. There's a captain in the left seat and a check airman in the right seat. They're basically doing captain IOE on empty flights before passenger service starts. The idea is that once passenger service starts there will never be a situation where a captain and an FO who are both fresh off IOE will have to fly passengers. At least one person in the cockpit will have 75+ hours of experience even on the first day of service.

Part of the reason they're doing it is probably also to work out any kinks in the plane maintenance since these planes are fresh off of the assembly line. They probably want to attempt to fly one 8-10 flights per day a few times to make sure that they're not going to all break down the first day of service.

Obviously it's not completely required but I'm not sure why people are arguing that it's a bad idea. They're trying to make sure things run as smoothly as possible when passenger service starts.

FaceBiter 05-15-2014 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by citation35hf (Post 1643937)
I caution you that since you have clearly stated who this person is, by name, what his current title at Mesa Airlines, INC. is, and by using such statements as "roid pumping reckless retard pilot." This is borderline libel and could be grounds for a defamation lawsuit.
I have seen judges allow internet records to be subpoenaed many times. Just something to keep in mind.


LOL

(filler)

TheFly 05-15-2014 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Westerner (Post 1644106)
What? You can use non-verbal communication to judge someone's character? Might be time for a self evaluation.

Ok bud, personality and character are two different things. Body language is a very good tool when evaluating someone. A conversation is an exchange of words that produces a response from each individual or group. This is how parents know when their children are lying. It's all about the response.


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