New Mesa Thread
12-12-2015, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Gjn290
Because of you, everyone, who has read this, is now a little dumber.
Maybe figure that out before you start practicing your hand-flying.
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12-12-2015, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gjn290
I agree that someone should know how to fully utilize the automation available to them. However, there is no substitution for being able to manually fly an airplane. The rest of what you said is BS. Everybody rants and raves about Mesa's training department, yet none of your FO's know how to fly? You do fly the 175, right? I've seen the aircraft, with autopilot and auto throttles engaged, trend to where the flaps will overspeed and I've had to intervene.
What's next? You gonna tell us all how great unmanned aircraft will be?
What's next? You gonna tell us all how great unmanned aircraft will be?
It's going to take time for our pilot group to fully absorb the VNAV/automation of this airplane and fully incorporate it into our operating culture, b/c most of us were flying CRJ-200s/ERJs the bulk of our careers.
Also, if your autopilot/autothrottles were overspeeding the flaps, you weren't using an appropriate vertical mode. If you're using the appropriate guidance modes, and retracting/extending flaps on schedule, the EJet AP/AT will not overspeed the flaps, even in gusty wind conditions...so, you basically just admitted you don't fully understand how to fly the airplane as it was designed. Just sayin'
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12-12-2015, 12:59 PM
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To my knowledge, the only "approved" one is the Fat Gecko single or dual suction cup. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can tell us if the RAM suction mount is a viable option as well.
Originally Posted by Bucketofpropwas
What's the approved / recommended style of iPad mount for Mesa? Anybody leaving selling one? Is there a cover for the iPad Air that fits with the mount? Do we need it for sims or is there one supplied for sims E175?
12-12-2015, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BobJenkins
To my knowledge, the only "approved" one is the Fat Gecko single or dual suction cup. Hopefully someone with more knowledge can tell us if the RAM suction mount is a viable option as well.
12-12-2015, 01:07 PM
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Thank you. Now look up in the top right corner of your screen, 2 lines under your name... 
Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
There's a new clamp-on one approved--can't remember what it's called though.
12-12-2015, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I don't care if you hand fly all the time--I just think you should learn how to fly the airplane as it was designed to fly first, using the full range of automation.
A lot of our EJet pilots are still flying transitions from the STAR to the ILS/visual using VS/FPA modes, and have no idea how to use the VNAV/LNAV when cleared for a visual. They're flying it like a CRJ. It drives me bonkers when I see the speed going amber--and, lo and behold, the FO is using vertical speed/FPA (or hand-flying). Shaking my head.
Maybe I'll start enforcing a rule on my FOs--prove that you can go from the top of the STAR to 50 feet above TDZE without using FPA or VS. Then--and only then--can you hand-fly all the time.
A lot of our EJet pilots are still flying transitions from the STAR to the ILS/visual using VS/FPA modes, and have no idea how to use the VNAV/LNAV when cleared for a visual. They're flying it like a CRJ. It drives me bonkers when I see the speed going amber--and, lo and behold, the FO is using vertical speed/FPA (or hand-flying). Shaking my head.
Maybe I'll start enforcing a rule on my FOs--prove that you can go from the top of the STAR to 50 feet above TDZE without using FPA or VS. Then--and only then--can you hand-fly all the time.
The automation is designed to reduce workload to increase situational awareness. If you are relying on it as the primary means of flying the aircraft because you are unable to fly it without LNAV/VNAV, then you don't know how to fly the aircraft.
12-12-2015, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Our training department is top notch--most of my FOs are great, and in fact they know how to fly this airplane better than most of our Captains precisely b/c our training is top notch. The problem is, after training, they end up flying with us former CRJ guys--who fly the EJet like a CRJ--and then they start using VS/FPA all the live long day, and overspeed the flaps and end up all over the place instead of on path/on speed at the ILS join.
It's going to take time for our pilot group to fully absorb the VNAV/automation of this airplane and fully incorporate it into our operating culture, b/c most of us were flying CRJ-200s/ERJs the bulk of our careers.
Also, if your autopilot/autothrottles were overspeeding the flaps, you weren't using an appropriate vertical mode. If you're using the appropriate guidance modes, and retracting/extending flaps on schedule, the EJet AP/AT will not overspeed the flaps, even in gusty wind conditions...so, you basically just admitted you don't fully understand how to fly the airplane as it was designed. Just sayin'
It's going to take time for our pilot group to fully absorb the VNAV/automation of this airplane and fully incorporate it into our operating culture, b/c most of us were flying CRJ-200s/ERJs the bulk of our careers.
Also, if your autopilot/autothrottles were overspeeding the flaps, you weren't using an appropriate vertical mode. If you're using the appropriate guidance modes, and retracting/extending flaps on schedule, the EJet AP/AT will not overspeed the flaps, even in gusty wind conditions...so, you basically just admitted you don't fully understand how to fly the airplane as it was designed. Just sayin'
12-12-2015, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
It is my opinion the second you are cleared for a visual, every single pilot, every single time, should turn off the automation.
The automation is designed to reduce workload to increase situational awareness. If you are relying on it as the primary means of flying the aircraft because you are unable to fly it without LNAV/VNAV, then you don't know how to fly the aircraft.
The automation is designed to reduce workload to increase situational awareness. If you are relying on it as the primary means of flying the aircraft because you are unable to fly it without LNAV/VNAV, then you don't know how to fly the aircraft.
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12-12-2015, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Man you are so full of yourself. Yes I can fly the airplane from the top of the arrival to 50' without touching anything. I don't think I've ever used VS in this bird (and I'm coming from the CRJ). I have seen it overshoot a speed bug by almost 20kts before the AT started to retard. I suppose you've never had ATC leave you high and dry on an arrival? The point is you guys are putting a band-aid fix on a much bigger problem. A blanket mandate requiring the autopilot for all RNAV procedures with no discretion from the pilot is moving the wrong direction. Period.
If you disagree with our GOM and refuse to comply with it, you should quit and go work somewhere else with SOPs that fit better with your preference to hand-fly.
12-12-2015, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Like I said--assuming you are managing the autothrottles, retracting/extended flaps on schedule, and not using a dumb vertical mode like FPA/VS, the EJet AP will not overspeed the flaps.
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