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Old 12-09-2015 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I wonder how many FOs are bailing for CommutAir/Envoy/PDT/Skywest
At the school house one new FO put in his Endeavor App didn't know about the extra $20k. BTW a lot of old guys
Old 12-09-2015 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
At the school house one new FO put in his Endeavor App didn't know about the extra $20k. BTW a lot of old guys
Yea I got AQP next month so I will have to go sneak a peak. That is a sign that they are scrapping the bottom of the ol barrel for sure now.
Old 12-10-2015 | 02:04 AM
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What is a sign they are scraping the bottom of the barrel? Older guys coming in?

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Yea I got AQP next month so I will have to go sneak a peak. That is a sign that they are scrapping the bottom of the ol barrel for sure now.
Old 12-10-2015 | 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BobJenkins
What is a sign they are scraping the bottom of the barrel? Older guys coming in?
I recently overheard a VERY senior check airman venting in the PHX crew room about the new hires coming through the training pipeline. He alluded to the fact that it is mostly older guys who have logged the majority of their experience milling around in 152 on CAVUK days with niece weather.

It seems we are getting less and less previous 121/135 and CFI types.
Old 12-10-2015 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by tinman1
I recently overheard a VERY senior check airman venting in the PHX crew room about the new hires coming through the training pipeline. He alluded to the fact that it is mostly older guys who have logged the majority of their experience milling around in 152 on CAVUK days with niece weather.

It seems we are getting less and less previous 121/135 and CFI types.
I wonder if it was the same check airman that was whining about snot nosed kids fresh out of the right seat of a 172. There will always be a pilot complaining in every crew room around the world.
Old 12-10-2015 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Duct Mon
I wonder if it was the same check airman that was whining about snot nosed kids fresh out of the right seat of a 172. There will always be a pilot complaining in every crew room around the world.
You can say that again! But I've flown with this guy and even watched him doing IOE from the JS while I was commuting home, and he's a fairly upbeat person. I just feel like there is probably some truth to it coming from him.
Old 12-10-2015 | 08:17 AM
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Say what you will about old folks, but they have been around longer than ye younger types.
Old 12-10-2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BobJenkins
Say what you will about old folks, but they have been around longer than ye younger types.
Yes, and their brains work slower, they get overwhelmed easier, they have a hard time with glass cockpits, and you must be on top of them in busy terminal areas so they don't blast into other approach corridors. I'm sure they can fly the pants off a c172, but if flying a jet is a new experience for them, they are a disaster. The young snot nosed kid is a quick learner and won't be a problem down the road. The old guy might require 200 hours of IOE.
Old 12-10-2015 | 08:30 AM
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And one more thing about the older guys... Their wisdom from life experience tells them to get the heck out of Mesa as soon as possible. I have yet to see any old guy stay the full year. It is completely stupid for Mesa to even entertain hiring them, nearly all of them have a corporate job waiting, just using Mesa for the type, getting current, and some jet experience.
Old 12-10-2015 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by iFlyRC
Yes, and their brains work slower, they get overwhelmed easier, they have a hard time with glass cockpits, and you must be on top of them in busy terminal areas so they don't blast into other approach corridors. I'm sure they can fly the pants off a c172, but if flying a jet is a new experience for them, they are a disaster. The young snot nosed kid is a quick learner and won't be a problem down the road. The old guy might require 200 hours of IOE.
You're painting with a broad brush there sonny.
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