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01-14-2016 | 01:05 PM

#3791

iFlyRC

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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

Aaaaand we lost the Four Points Sheraton MCI.

PIT, CLT, MCI, etc.--seems like they just keep whittling down the hotel standards over and over and all you new hires just keep piling in here like lemmings thinking you're gonna upgrade in 18 months...sigh

Classes are full because many people are aiming for that referral bonus. I have 100% faith in JO coming up with tricks to keep the classes full. The real problem is attrition, and only QOL improvements will slow that down.

01-14-2016 | 01:07 PM

#3792

flapshalfspeed

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Originally Posted by iFlyRC

Attrition? What attrition?

01-14-2016 | 01:09 PM

#3793

Darant

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Originally Posted by iFlyRC

Well, if you go to Republic with their NEW contract, I know people over there as a 3rd year FO making more money a month than I am as a CA at Mesa, until they go bankrupt...

People are getting fed up here with a number of things. Can't say that i'm personally unhappy, but, when our contract and pay are not even in the ballpark of other places, people start to get antsy.

If Mesa continues to make this an even worse place to work, they can expect to spend far more than the few bucks they are saving on a bad hotel with what they will have to spend on attrition.

01-14-2016 | 01:10 PM

#3794

iFlyRC

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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

Attrition? What attrition?

When the pilot group exceeds 1200 pilots, gets into the 1300's, I'll agree with you.

01-14-2016 | 03:35 PM

#3795

Duct Mon

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Why are pilots still coming to Mesa?
Lowest pay rate in the industry...no new contract in the near future...quick upgrade is gone...ALPA not defending our pilots and our worthless contract...slow attrition...and more.
Do not respond if you're a Kool-aid drinking management cheerleader.

01-14-2016 | 03:41 PM

#3796

Xdashdriver

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They're coming because management can still advertise a quick upgrade even though it's really only available to pilots with 1,000 hrs 121 already. That and there's no interview so it's easy to get hired and probably a little SJS mixed in.

01-14-2016 | 04:06 PM

#3797

squawkoff

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Originally Posted by Duct Mon

As poor as the contract is, its worth defending. If ALPA doesn't see fit to defend and enforce the contract why should management follow it? It would seem to me that both parties think it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

Last edited by squawkoff; 01-14-2016 at 04:43 PM.

01-14-2016 | 05:01 PM

#3798

ScottyDo

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Originally Posted by Duct Mon

Yea after going back to PHX for AQP a few weeks ago I stayed at the Best Western and talked with some of the new guys and they were definitely not the sharpest tools in the shed. Big shocker I know, and two guys mentioned that they had already had to stop at sim 7 and go pack to FPT, what a waste of money. Most of them if not all were older as well, like way older. Also the only rumor I picked up was the the E-Jet order will go from 18 to 25.

01-14-2016 | 05:36 PM

#3799

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Fml, so mad I went crj. Yeah the new hires get extra Sim plus 4 FPT lessons. One new hear got poached by Endeavor on the van ride to the hotel, he didn't know about their bonus.

01-14-2016 | 06:24 PM

#3800

ScottyDo

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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo

Fml, so mad I went crj. Yeah the new hires get extra Sim plus 4 FPT lessons. One new hear got poached by Endeavor on the van ride to the hotel, he didn't know about their bonus.

He didn't know about their bonus because he didn't do his homework and we hire mostly idiots now.