I'll answer for him. No one else would hire him so he picked up the phone and asked for a class date lol.

 

RAH- Have a few friends I use to fly with that have been there 3 yrs+ and they don't see an upgrade anytime soon.
CommuteAir- I have turb time, it feels more like a horizontal move.
Airwisky, Envoy and a few others - Upgrade times are horrible.
Compass- junior base is on the west coast.

Mesa was a good choice for me and I do have a few friends here that already told me its just a job and it isn't really that bad once you have a plan.

 

Thank you Scotty, that was nice of you to answer for me

 

Here's a hint for everyone. Figure out a way to get people to not come to Mesa and your fearless leader, JO, may bump first year pay from $22 to $25.

Then again a lot of new hires don't understand how vital it is to have good work rules such as min day. And then they complain with they're stuff with a 4 day worth 12 hours of credit.


It's a problem when people think this profession is a "hobby". Old, middle aged, young etc... This is a profession not a hobby.

 

This hits the nail on the head. I've got nothing again young people, middle aged people, older people, or anyone in between coming to work here for the right reasons. It's a personal choice; We're adults and can make our own decisions.

However, I've got a huge problem with people of any age looking at this job as a hobby. If you're bored and need something to do then go join a flying club, go buy a type rating "for fun", or be a CFI on the side. Hobbyists coming here to fly just for fun regardless of the pay undermine our position as professional pilots, take away leverage for a better contract, and, quite honestly, can be a safety issue.

We're hiring guys who haven't flown in 15-20 years, who have never flown or been trained on turbine airplanes/operations, who have no formal aviation training, who have 1500 hours flying the pattern in a C150 at their local airport. Before you all rip me on this - I didn't say EVERYONE we hire falls into this category but some of the people we hire do. That should be a huge safety concern for everyone.

 

Well at least someone gets what I'm saying.

 

Your welcome bro

 

Agreeded. There are people with bills to pay. Fishing is a hobby not flying a 85,000 pound jet with 76 passengers in the back.

Sorry, I'm not impressed with someone who has 1,000 hours in their Bonanza. Sure they've been flying longer than me. But does that really make them a professional pilot? Again I'm not saying it's older pilots that fit into this criteria but typically that's the case.

Would you rather have a 50 year old with 1,000 hours in the last 20 years flying his cub in class G airspace or the 20 something year old with 3,000 hours in the last 4 years flying turbine aircraft in complex airspace, in hard IMC etc. Its all relative IMO.

 

That type of mentality is exactly why our pay is the worst in the industry.

 

This applies if every airline was furloughing and you have a job still. This isn't the case in 2016.